AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

You do understand that white people can be immigrants too?

This is copy and pasted from SWVG, feel free to fact check:

Is the UK under more pressure from asylum seekers and refugees than other countries?

No it is not, in spite of the picture painted by some of our politicians and media.
Out of 28 member states in the EU, the UK ranks ninth in terms of numbers of applications. In 2015, the UK received just fewer than 40 thousand asylum applications. Germany had over 400 thousand, ten times as many.

(Germany still takes the most, followed by France, Spain and Italy I believe)

And because the UK gets relatively few asylum applicants, we host fewer refugees – less than 1% of the global total.

It’s very dangerous we are letting in young men from the Middle East and african countries …we don’t know who they are and many come from countries that don’t treat women as equals and dislike the West and our values…

Just seen on the news that police have arrested 4 Iranians on terrorism threats …

we’ve no idea who we are allowing in every day on the boats … 10,000 this year …it’s sheer madness

Yes and as I’ve posted costs not numbers. We spend more pp. And you can check figures on overall cost.

We are ‘doing our bit’. We spend a lot more on each claim.

that should say 7 Iranians not 4!

Iranians are one of the top nationalities arriving by boat …

Hence the upsurge in Reform members

People are both angry and scared.

Meanwhile the Government won't release crime figures of asylum seekers

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/crimesbyasylumseekerstotheuk

It's not that people think they will bring about change, it's that people know the existing 2 main parties can't or won't.

Labour is sitting on a massive majority. So far it has done sod all with it - and the little it has done has been uniformly negative (at any rate in the public's perception).

Labour needs to up it's game, NOW.

Germany made the choice to say "refugees welcome" and they got swamped. It's no surprise that they still top the list.

Reform’s a corporation

“Squealing”?
You sound fucking delightful

So you are saying that people who vote Reform are:

Lacking in intelligence (thick) and/or on benefits/low incomes feeling sorry for their lives with nothing else going for them?

Bit insulting isn’t it?

What about all the people that have just had enough of the state of the country they want change? Maybe they can live up to their promises, maybe they can’t like ALL politicians.

Normal working class British people are just maybe looking for a little bit of hope that it’s all not going down the bloody pan. You cannot let millions of people into the country every year it’s just not sustainable it’s ruining us, and quite frankly ; me not wanting undocumented male migrants all between the ages of 16 and 40 coming in their thousands every month makes me racist then so be it. That word has lost all meaning.

Labour and the conservatives have done zero to stop the boats…zilch!

Hence Reform’s popularity they will take action …no one else wants to at present.

“Smash the gangs” is laughable by Starmer he’s overseen the largest influx ever this year…and it’s dangerous never mind the financial expense …

Drinking the KoolAid then… and yes, you’re a racist buying a stack of populist soundbites w little foundation in truth.

They insulted UKIP as well, calling their Members "swivel-eyed loons" !

And guess what, UKIP survived !

Trump is cheerfully deporting and sending to foreign prisons anyone he doesn't like the look of with no legal process being followed. Is that what you want here?

Less than 1% of the global total - why do you think we should be taking more than that? There are nearly 200 recognised countries in the world, we're 0.5% of the total countries.

Despite asylum seekers making up a small percentage of of population, in the space of a few years they've brought us the Manchester Arena bombing and the Southport murders. You may feel aghast at the apparent lack of compassion inherent in the shift towards Reform, but we've tried compassion. And they repaid us by raising their children to hate us so much that they dedicated their lives to killing us and our children. Add that to the terrorism, gang rapes, acid attacks, honour killings etc going on all over Europe...it shouldn't be a shock to anyone that people are voting for the only party willing to promise to put a stop to it. Labour will be dragged to the right on this issue for the next 3 years also which is a nice bonus before they head back into the wilderness for another 20 years.

Look at what Denmark has done . If labour or tories were serious they would have done the same. Existing parties do not want to address migration , they think platitudes of smash the gangs will work whilst every sane person laughs . There’s also a belief that the figures are fudged , the claims are going down , yes of course they are when you just grant asylum to take those people off the list .That’s why Reform got in , people hope it’s third time lucky .
i can’t understand why the left think insulting people is going to get them to change their mind on immigration. I’d love to see how many supporting mass immigration would pay extra tax to support them or open their doors to house them . It’s all very well shouting from the rooftops from your middle class enclaves when it doesn’t affect you but you love virtual signalling your support . Try imagining being having absolutely nothing , no money, no housing , no hope no jobs , a futile existence. The podcast trapped talks of the scandalous housing of people trapped in tenement flats with water pouring through the ceiling and walls covered in thick black mould and you see boatloads of young men put up in clean safe hotels . How would you feel . No wonder people are bloody angry .

All voters are angry !

My local Reform group started with 15 members in a disused room above a pub a year ago.

Now we have had to move to a Social Club and we take over all the ground floor. In fact the organiser was concerned we might have to limit numbers due to Fire Regulations.

The last meeting was very energetic and we met our new candidates and made plans for canvassing and leafleting.

Result - Reform now have control of the local Council.

Where are the untruths in what @Moveanymountain has said?

Of course people interacting with other people can always have the potential to be a problem. New neighbours don't always understand each other from the start. It can take time for different communities to get on.

But... our country is in a mess. The rich are getting richer while ordinary people's wages have stagnated. Our towns and cities suffer from chronic under-investment in public services. Housing is expensive or unavailable. Life is very difficult for lots of people right now. This is not the fault of migration.

I completely understand that if you believe that incomers are being given opportunities or handouts that are unavailable to you, you will see it as unfair.

And, of course, if someone moves in next door to you and behaves in an antisocial way then of course that has a negative effect. But to blame their behaviour on their ethnicity is, bluntly, racist.

Someone earlier up the thread when I asked her about "purpose built asylum seeker accomodation" wouldn't share any examples she said she knew about (and said she had even been in). She did the classic conspiracy theory "do your own research" cliche). So I have.

My searching can't find ANY purpose-built asylum seeker accomodation in the UK. There was the Bibby barge that was shut down because it became dangerous. There were plans for two military bases to be taken over and plans to rent out a student block in Huddersfield (student rooms are literally not deemed large enough for normal working people to live in). No purpose-built accomodation, as far as I can see. (Feel free to show me I'm wrong.)

It's the same with "nice hotels". Congratulations if you've found a counter- example. But mostly, asylum seekers have been stuffed into the cheapest, shittiest places that can be found. Legally, they are not allowed to work. They are given £49 a week to survive on: www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get It's just not the typical experience of an asylum-seeker to be swanning around the Crowne Plaza swimming pool living a life of luxury.

So anecdotes and myths. All this "you can't even celebrate Christmas any more in case you offend them" bullshit. And it's fed by people who should and do know better.

Don't forget, the same people who told you that the EU/Brussels was the cause of all these problems is now telling you that immigration is the cause of all these problems.

Farage is a grifter, a racist, a public school banker and a man of huge wealth who has no idea how ordinary working class people live. His Brexit has made a huge amount of money for him and his banker friends off the back of the huge hit to our economy - billions and billions of pounds every year! And he dares blame migrants in small boats for our problems! It's shocking scapegoating of vulnerable people.

Try imagining being having absolutely nothing , no money, no housing , no hope no jobs , a futile existence.

Who is to blame for this futile existence? Absolutely be angry but make sure your anger is directed at the right issue. Whose fault is it that people have no jobs? Why are they unemployable? What has happened in their lives that has got them to this point? Where and how have they been failed? Is it as simple as solving the immigration problem or maybe is it more complex than that? Also really delve in and see if reform have the policies to address and change any of this

I would quite like to see immigration reduced to a) the potentially economically active or b) genuine asylum seeker. However I still haven't seen a proposal by Reform of how they will do this, apart from some (hopefully facetious) comments about letting them all drown in the Channel.

The Conservatives were slated because despite saying they would reduce illegal immigration they didn't, and now Labour are being condemned for "Smash the Gangs" as being just a soundbite. Can we please have something concrete, or at least a suggestion of a plan, that Reform have thoughts on how to do this in a humane manner?

Despite asylum seekers making up a small percentage of of population, in the space of a few years they've brought us the Manchester Arena bombing and the Southport murders.

There you go, scapegoating, myths and lies.

The Southport murderer was a British citizen, born in Cardiff.

The idea that we don’t spend much pp isn’t shown in figures. Were higher pp than all G7 countries by 2.5 times.

Whether it’s built for accommodation or hotels it’s a higher cost pp than alternatives elsewhere.

On any downsides at all, do you think borders should exist or should there be the ability to live anywhere you like?

And he was the child of asylum seekers. Just like the Manchester Arena bomber who blew himself up to murder as many children as possible, while his brother continues to behave like a feral animal.to this day.