AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

I think we all know or we should..

The Rwandan genocide, also known as the genocide against the Tutsi, occurred from 7 April to 19 July 1994 during the Rwandan Civil War.
Over a span of around 100 days, members of the Tutsi ethnic group, as well as some moderate Hutu and Twa, were systematically killed by Hutu militias.

800,000 were massacred.

It’s your kind of ignorant, holier than thou, ‘oh look at me, look how tolerant I am, give me an award’ attitude that os unhelpful to immigrants.

Do you think that dismissing PP’s concerns as racist is big and clever? It’s not flex you think it is.

Have you considered that these non violent, largely under the surface, silent views, have the risk of spilling into more sinister actions at the hands of less savory characters who practice out and out racism. There is nothing racist about questioning the pace of change in the country, the way neighborhoods look and feel, change to cultural norms and practices.

But it is stupid to write this off as racist. And it harms immigrants too, because these feelings of unease don’t just go away, they fester.

There is nothing racist about questioning the pace of change in the country, the way neighborhoods look and feel, change to cultural norms and practices.

I genuinely don't understand this racist-coded language.

What exactly do you mean by "change to cultural norms and practices"? Why is it concerning to you that different people live differently to you? Why does it matter?

Well, in my case, I'm the US. I don't really know what individuals are aligned with what parties.

I didn't vote for Trump. I always vote libertarian, because that's the party that best aligns with my beliefs. I have issues with both Republicans and Democrats. Most people don't follow their chosen party 100%, but vote for the party whose beliefs match theirs on the issues that are most important to them.

I believe Trump won because of the trans issues. People didn't like biological men being allowed in women's spaces and women's sports, etc. He was the only one is the two main candidates who said he'd stop it. That was an important issue for a lot of people and therefore they were able to overlook the things they didn't agree with. It's probably something similar with the people who voted for this Reform party.

So you didn’t understand my point at all. 👍

People row safely across the channel in a regular basis.

The people trafffickers are what make the small boats unsafe and as the last government realised , we are creating an incentive by putting them up in nice hotels rather than grim asylum detention centres.

"Nice hotels"! 😆

People who arrive with no verifiable identification should be securely detained.

Is that biggest hole you could pick in the argument? Hmm, struggling? Much?

Absolutely yes. Was there from 2006-2007. On a Sydney Harbour tourist boat, an Australian man used a shocking racial slur; not heard in Britain in 30 years, in a casual conversation.

Yes, Australia is a deeply racist society.

No, I've already faced you with the most striking argument against your claims that asylum seekers are making a "not particularly dangerous" journey in order to live in "nice hotels", but the dead babies drowned in the Channel didn't stir any humanity in you at all.

Where?

In Ireland. Back in the EU where they came from.

Did I really just read yet another white middle class saviour say Reform are hostile to non whites? This is the kind of ignorant arrogance that elevates Reform. I've noticed when immigrants or general POC post they agree with Reform's stop the boats, that they are ignored. Now I wonder why that is. It reminds me of why the disgusting label coconut exists. The left are the most hypocritical toxic people going.

By nature humans are tribal. We are drawn to other people who are similar and familiar to us. I think that makes us feel safer.

Since you asked for an example: when was the last time you went to Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park?

I go there reasonably often.

Occasionally there is an organised group of gender critical women who go there in a pack and arrange to meet at a specific time.

The rest of the time it is 99% men, almost all non-white, shouting about Islam or Gaza or various overseas ethnic conflicts and jostling for position among signs that aren't in English.

I walk through there sometimes and usually can't see a single other woman - maybe one or two quietly far away from the mob. I am an outspoken person (see: this thread) and would not even dream of saying anything in that atmosphere, even though I used to read about it and get excited to one day go there.

Then I go to sit under a tree nearby and half the women around me are in niqabs, not even just headscarves. I feel extremely exposed in my sundress that goes to the knees.

I have female Muslim friends who wear bikinis and sundresses. I don't feel any sense of fear around them. Why should I? But I don't want to live in a society where I'm seen as a brazen slut for wearing a knee-length sundress and walking through a public park, and that's how I feel in some parts of London. Culture isn't just the spices on your food.

You don’t think this is racist? Really?

We could if we taxed the rich

Anyone in particular in mind?

Perhaps the perhaps could have stopped in any of the safe countries that they chose to pass through instead of endangering their children. The parents are solely responsible for that so no, your attempts at emotional blackmail shouldn't stir anything much in anybody. It isn't our fault if a feckless parents choose to gamble with their child's safety when there are several safe countries between the place they left and the place they sought as their destination.

You could tax the rich at 100% and I'd still be against the infinity immigration that the left seems to crave

@Blossomtoes - Why do you think that poster is racist?

What exactly do you mean by "change to cultural norms and practices"? Why is it concerning to you that different people live differently to you? Why does it matter?

I can answer this question although it doesn't affect me directly.

When I was a student I had lodgings with some other girls in a city that had an increasing Muslim population.
At the feast of Eid-el Adhar (The feast of the sacrifice) someone came around in a van and delivered goats to people in the area, which they kept in their backyards.
At some time in the day these luckless creatures had their throats cut and we could see them being butchered in evening in the yard from our back upstairs window. The alleyway at the back of their property ran with blood for about half an hour.
We complained to the Council, Environmental Health, RSPCA and anyone who would listen but just got told that Muslims had a dispensation for Home Slaughter for Religious reasons.
Unless anything has changed I suppose they still do.

So please don't tell me about Christian/White priviledge, because that's a joke.

When I say it "doesn't affect me" it's because I am now vegetarian.

And we are not cave people any more. We have progressed as humanity by taming our animals instincts with laws and morality and custom. That's what civilization is all about.

All the evidence shows that people who mix with people of different ethnicities and cultures are far more comfortable with them than those from monocultures. Familiarity breeds understanding not contempt.

@MasterBeth All the evidence shows that people who mix with people of different ethnicities and cultures are far more comfortable with them than those from monocultures. Familiarity breeds understanding not contempt.

Please cite this "evidence"

Have a look at Maslows hierachy of needs

Have any of these people suggested you are a brazen slut?