AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

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And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

It's probably fair to say that Trump and his team (particularly the younger crowd and the people around JD Vance) are more comfortable with engaging with the remigration question than Farage is, though. For example, he's stated that he supports paying for voluntary deportations of family members of illegal immigrants.

I think Trump will also mostly be able to "just" do the things I stated though, just for practical reasons.

Guess you heard President Fart is now moving to make it legal to deport American citizens and presumably put them into his hideous concentration camps detention centres.

Good for Trump, and good for us having his puppet looming over the horizon.

A lot of Reform politicians and those who elect them are hostile to all non-white, full stop.

No they are not. That's just leftist propaganda

I worked in abortion care. Two women seeking late termination have stuck with me.

A woman who had just discovered her unborn had the same disease her five year old had died from. We couldn't get her an abortion in time. The devastation of her realising she'd have to lose a second child will live with me forever.

A woman who was just diagnosed with a genetic disease that meant she wouldn't live through her prospective child's childhood.

It's a very small % of abortions. It's hard because babies can, technically, survive at that gestation but the alternative is worse.

While some are obviously going to be genuine, not all of the men on small boats (or people who enter the country in other ways) are genuine asylum seekers though. The deportations of failed asylum seekers underline that.

You may have fallen into the common trap of assuming that all people in troubled countries are backward and have no means of communicating or gaining information - on the contrary, we regularly see men getting off the small boats with their mobile phones and there are many organisations set up to give them advice on what to expect in the UK and how to get everything we offer.

Admittedly France may not put them in nice hotels but it is not a war torn country. There are organisations in France that help these people so they make a choice to come here.

They get well fed, a warm bed, new clothing and free private medical care here. That is not ‘poverty’. I am not saying we shouldn’t provide that by any means but it does act as an incentive. They’d be silly not to take us up on our generous offer.

There have been several cases of rapists not getting deported from the UK on ‘human rights’ grounds reported in the news. I haven’t got time to find the links now but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

I’m not racist or demonising anybody but I share the concerns of many that we need to get control of our borders.

This thread is a perfect example of why the Tories or Labour daren’t have a proper discussion and why Reform had such big wins.

Thank you for sharing those examples of such upsetting and incredible difficult circumstances. There are of course always very understandable exceptions.

This is why it is so important to keep openly debating any topic, it is always OK to fully debate around either maintaining or changing things. Your examples are extremely relevant, and exactly why wanting to debate an issue should not be shut down.

I read it Muslim women overwhelmingly reject Tate and his beliefs

and I'm none the wiser.

I actually disagree, some , but not the new voters during this local election. I think Reform have attracted a lot of new votes very easily, simply because the other parties just fail.
Tories had an appalling 14 years, starmer is absolutely useless and his only answer to this is "Tories/14 years".
I voted Reform, not because I'm racist or hostile to non white people, simply because I find labour and conservative rubbish.

I assume a lot of others did the same, a clear message to the 2 main parties.

Guirec Le Bras, the Boulogne-sur-mer prosecutor, told the BBC the boat had become overloaded after a number of migrants forced themselves on board just prior to departure.

It’s not the crossing that is dangerous, it’s the unscrupulous people traffickers that we are helping to create markets for that are the danger.

Excellent minimising there. A bit of graffiti in the bogs, smoking a fag behind the bike sheds is one thing. I don't ever recall discriminating against a whole group of people based on the fact they had a different skin colour, or a disability, or sexual preference. I don't recall the vast majority of my friends doing so, either.

Nuts.

"we are helping to create markets for that are the danger." Whaaat ? 😮

Well that's soon fixed no more benefits for migrants.

Anyone who comes across the channel gets deported the next day.

This is France's problem not ours

They are, look at Farages "Breaking Point" poster, full of brown faces....

This was at the time of the referendum, when the concern was white europans coming here

As a left of centre voter I clicked YABU as this is the attitude we need to move away from.

Right = stupid/racist, Left = clever/inclusive isn't going too well across Europe right now is it. You can't just call people stupid and expect them to say "yeah you're right I'll vote a different way next time". If anything it surely makes a person dig in more to their view.

I’m genuinely really interested given your work experience - do you think the current limit is correct, or should be lessened with exceptions (balancing medical developments to support the chances of premature babies vs increased medical knowledge about serious illnesses affecting both mum and baby, etc)? Is it about right or worth re-visiting to debate on a national level?

It's an entirely racist post.

It literally starts with a stat about skin colour! It posits that a shift from 95% white to 75% white is inherently problematic.

That is a clearly racist position. Awful. Appalling.

Good grief! No, and the crossing isn't dangerous if you do it in a Brittany Ferry! But as the small boat migrants are doing it in... small boats, it is!!

To be fair that sounds similar to Labour - we were not meant to be paying higher electricity bills or more tax. The devil was certainly in the detail they lied about there.

What "purpose built accommodation" has been built for asylum seekers in your area? And would you like to live in it?

How exactly will we find this out? Who are these people who are 'taking' all the money then?

80% white.
75% white British.
I'm not only or even mostly talking about skin colour.

Do you want to engage with the point about rapid demographic and cultural change at all?

Or is this a "no debate" topic for you?

My home country is majority non-white for the record and I'll never be considered a native/local there despite my white ancestors being there for centuries and some of them mixing with locals.

It's really, really unusual, historically and globally speaking, to think that in 30 years you can just declare passport nationalism is the only acceptable and allowable viewpoint.

The fact that you think brown people should think a certain way is problematic in itself.

It’s the age old, brown people must be lefties or they are must be racist. That’s racism right there.

Actually it's not.

I've seen about 5.

Have another look.

I don't share your racist concerns. I am white British and very comfortable living in an inner city area with... [checks figures] 57% white British and 26% Muslim population.

My neighbourhood has recently seen a large number of Hong Kong Chinese moving in, including my own next door neighbours. Suddenly, my neighbourhood is a lot more Chinese than it has ever been. I am wholly unconcerned by this.

I am not scared or concerned by rapid demographic change, no.

Why am I supposed to be concerned because the people living near me are not of the same ethnicity, religion or culture as me?

I am old enough to remember awful violent racist attacks and overwhelming racist graffiti against Commonwealth migrants from the Caribbean, Indian sub-continent and Uganda in the 1970s. These "aliens" are now the unremarkable friends and family of all of us White Britons.

Now though, it seems we (including those Black and Asian Britons and their descendents) are supposed to scared or wary of more current incomers. Why? It's racist bullshit.

A four year old child with stage 4 cancer who is a US citizen was deported. People are defending the indefensible.