AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Oh my god, we are not 'picking up the slack'. We house about 1% of the world's asylum seekers. The irony of you saying that someone paying a TRAFFICKER for help can't be 'in dire straits' is really insane.

There is no law that says an asylum seeker must settle in the first safe country they come to - those countries on the edges of Europe are often overwhelmed by arrivals and refugees have to keep travelling in order to find adequate help and resources.

What one earth is your problem with Afghani people?!

I would never support Reform as they are not aligned with my core values: but what is the concern about them wanting to roll back women’s rights?

For example:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-general-election-reform-b2566506.html

FWIW I think Reform are genuinely going to struggle with suddenly having to tackle long-standing issues without having a lot of institutional experience in governing (even at council level) to help them.

Their specific policies on non-immigration issues are all over the place.

I think the fact that most Reform voters are aware of this and still decided to vote for them, speaks to the strength of feeling on their core issues. This includes many local issues (I imagine a lot of Reform voters were very concerned about corruption on councils in the grooming gang scandal, for example - links to taxi firms etc).

In 2029 though: 600+ councillors with 4 years of local govt experience is a much better pool of potential MP candidates to choose from than randomly texting people from the pub or their email lists like they did last year.

Thst most can't speak Englush and have no training in health care. Not assumption, but fact.

It was a quick Google not an extensive study.

We house about 1% of the world's asylum seekers.

Good. We are a very densely populated country in Europe. (And now that Milliband wants to commandeer farmland for solar farms, and Starmer wants to make farmers bankrupt, we will soon be unable to feed ourselves never mind anyonr else.)

The irony of you saying that someone paying a TRAFFICKER for help can't be 'in dire straits' is really insane.

Why? When you see photos of people walking across barren land in Africa with only a backpack and no shoes, because they are starving, it brings it home.
People making boats crossings over the channel look pretty fit and well-fed to me. They must have money if they have mobile phones and have paid a trafficker.

Do you realize each migrant costs us £41,000 a year at just the lower end of what it will cost in accomodation (£120-150 per night for the hotel rooms) - but there's loads of other costs such as translation, admin costs, security, transport, legal services, paying for healthcare/dentistry etc

What one earth is your problem with Afghani people?!

I don't have any problem with Afghani people. I mentioned them because they make up the most arrivals across the Channel. They also have their own dedicated safe route to UK BTW.

1,200 medically qualified refugees/asylum seekers are recorded on the British Medical Association’s database.

Not that they should need to be trained in healthcare, or speak English, in order to be granted asylum; this is a human right.

The way you speak about them, it's like you can't accept they came from normal lives and professions. Many asylum seekers have really valuable skills and are more than capable of learning our language.

God forbid you are ever displaced from your homeland and forced to seek refuge elsewhere. If you are, I hope you are not greeted by people like you.

Because the local council have to house them !

While the primary responsibility for supporting asylum seekers rests with the Home Office, local councils do receive funding and have specific responsibilities in supporting them. This funding covers areas like accommodation, integration services, and support for unaccompanied asylum-seeking children (UASCs

I wonder if he still views Tate positively….

But they don't make the decisions about immigration policy; that's up to the national government. The same as with issues concerning foreign policy

I think equally are dismissive of women. I don't find hair splitting helpful.

@springbirdss 1,200 medically qualified refugees/asylum seekers are recorded on the British Medical Association’s database.

And are their skills being utilized?

As we are (according to latest figures) 106,432 short I would hope we are.

Not all those fleeing war and danger are poor.

My friend arrived in the UK over 40 years ago with her parents who were seeking asylum from Iraq. They were very wealthy though.

and often traffickers will incur a debt that needs to be paid.

I'm not arguing with you. 🙂

Do you think that it's really worrying that young men are influenced by Andrew Tate? Do you think supporting Andrew Tate is a sign of someone not being aligned with the cultural values you think should be celebrated in society?

Did you know that over 70% of young Muslim men support him, specifically and primarily because they think he speaks the truth about women's place in society?

It's from Hope Not Hate, so no complaining about the Daily Heil.

"Tate’s popularity is worryingly high amongst Muslim respondents, although there is a clear gendered aspect to this. 51% of young Muslims like Tate, the highest of any religion, but Muslim men are almost three times more likely than young Muslim women to like him (72% versus 25%)."

"In one example, Tate says he wants to find “a nice Islamic-ass wife. I’m gonna build up a big pile of rocks in case she gets fresh. I’m going to be prepared.”."

"Interestingly, Muslim Tate supporters (n=101) had a different top reason for liking Tate than the wider population of Tate supporters – 26% responded that they like that Tate speaks the truth about women and men (average 15%)."

If you think AT is a misogynist POS who is poisoning our society, you might have more in common with the average Reform voter than you think - you're just blaming the influencer rather than the young men who agree with him.

People making boats crossings over the channel look pretty fit and well-fed to me. They must have money if they have mobile phones and have paid a trafficker.

These people have lost homes, families, livelihoods, escaped imprisonment, torture/death, witnessed unimaginable things and travelled for miles in search of peace and safety. But you are not convinced by their plight because some of them appear to have proper clothes on and aren't physically emaciated? Is that what you would prefer?!

I am not going to argue with you anymore, I don't think there's any point. As someone who has worked with young asylum seekers, many of whom are from Afghanistan, I find your comments extremely disturbing and devoid of even the most basic empathy. I'm sorry you move through life like this and wish you the best of luck.

It’s interesting you are trying to insinuate something about incompatible cultural values and muslims (misogyny is also a British cultural value to be clear) but it’s not so straight forward as your link makes clear.

Muslim women overwhelmingly reject Tate and his beliefs

I take your “brown Muslim” and raise you Suella Braverman.

It’s quite possible for brown people to be racist, you know.

I’m in Lincolnshire and ‘we’ (not me!) have just voted in our Mayor….she won by a country mile…and yes, she’s the Reform candidate!

When I woke up to the result on Thursday, I thought I’d slipped into some Years and Years horror! She even looks like Emma Thompson’s ‘Vivienne Rook’!

Scarily dystopian 😱

Your English isn’t up to much, tbh.

@JHound Muslim women overwhelmingly reject Tate and his beliefs

And you know this because....?

Making fun of someone over their looks is a real cheap shot 😦

Read what I wrote and you will have your answer.

There's levels to the misogyny game and the British overall aren't even close to being at the top... If you think they are even slightly equivalent, you've led a very sheltered life.