AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

I assumed you were trying to appear as a reasonably serious person but your last two posts are blowing that apart.

I have just come back from the Netherlands and it’s really noticeable how white it is . The only few ethnic minorities were tourists . Migrants certainly aren’t making a beeline for the Netherlands . Is that a major reason they have a successful economy because they aren’t shelling out billions in migrant costs and aren’t squeezing in more people than their infrastructure can cope with .

We've had comical levels of net migration in recent years. The economy is shit and we're getting poorer and poorer per capita.

A quick Google will show

In 2022, the Netherlands saw 403,108 people immigrate, and 179,310 emigrate. The net migration rate, which combines immigration and emigration, was 1.159 per 1,000 population in 2024, a slight decrease from 2023. Immigrants make up 10.8% of the population

Dont please talk about critical thinking when Reform voters are called racists. Yeah, oodles of critical thinking going on there.

Talking of misogyny, I wonder when Labour will finally deem a woman fit to be their leader, affording the opportunity for the first female Labour PM. 🤔

So you can't mention any policy? Just deflect

I find that very hard to believe , not even Amsterdam had any . 10.8% nah .

I don't quite know where to start with this.

If asylum seekers have been forced to move from 'safe' country to country it is out of desperation and necessity, because nothing has been provided for them there.

Asylum seekers do not come here with the expectation of benefits, they are fleeing from war or persecution, and often know absolutely nothing about the UK welfare system when they arrive.

Once they're here, if they are not detained, they live in poverty on £7 a day without the possibility of employment while their claim for asylum is processed (this can take years).

Where is your source for the lawyers protecting rapists.

Well the figures are there, not sure though why you'd assume immigrants can't also be white

Why do you think voters need to point to specific policies? You're not applying much critical thinking when the idea of the holistic feel good factor a party brings, eludes you. Your question has been done to death.

This why you can't debate legitimately with racists.

This poster would rather rely on the number of black faces she thinks she saw on holiday than data about the facts.

The Netherlands does have a significant migrant population, it's just that they mostly come from other parts of Europe, so are usually white.
It's interesting that you associate migration with 'ethnic minorities' only... Is your problem really with migrants, or with people of colour?

You're not applying much critical thinking when the idea of the holistic feel good factor a party brings, eludes you.

😂hope that holistic feel good factor will be a success in running a country. Time will tell if they get that far. I personally don't look to my politicians to provide holistic feel good factors

Your question has been done to death.
Because no one ever answers it

@springbirdss Check my original post again, I said that illegal immigrants can't access welfare services (including free healthcare) in this country.

So if one gets into a knife-fight with another gang from their home country and his mates drag him to casualty and drop him just inside the hospital doors. bleeding, do you think anyone will check his immigration status ?

Doctors always say they are there to treat people, not act as an extension of Border Force/Home Office

Rubbish, the question has received many answers which always go down rabbit holes. I justify my vote to nobody.

Maybe you would prefer Maheen Kamran, the new Burnley councilor who beat Reform into second place.
She ran on a pro Gaza ( wtf has that got to do with Burnley) and pro separation of the sexes in public places ( very medieval) ticket and won

@springbirdss If asylum seekers have been forced to move from 'safe' country to country it is out of desperation and necessity, because nothing has been provided for them there

So why does UK have to pick up the slack?

I would dispute that most of those coming over to UK in boats are "desperate." They have enough money to pay the traffickers so they aren't in dire straights.
The most common traveler is from Afghanistan.

So they pass through or go around, Iran, Turkiye, Greece, Italy/Balkans and France. The only "unsafe" country is Iran

So that tells me the journey to UK is a choice.

There is also an Afghani Resettlement Scheme for legal entry to UK

www.gov.uk/guidance/afghan-resettlement-programme

I'm an immigrant with niche technical skills, who's put active effort into integrating and comes from a very similar culture to start with, pay a lot of taxes and guess what I have NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

I get accused of "trying to be the right sort of immigrant" - yes - proudly!! - if being the "right sort of immigrants" means being someone who doesn't commit crimes and tries to make a contribution to the country which has given me a home, yes, that's me.

It's not a high bar to, e.g. "not be a rapist" but the current system doesn't even require people to meet it, which reflects badly on people like me. I know I'm not alone in this view.

You think that not having a woman PM is exactly as bad for women as having a leader who sympathizes with Andrew Tate?

Over the weekend 20 MPs demanded the Pakistani government builds a new airport in Mirpur because their constituents shouldn't have to put up with taking a long-haul flight to Islamobad, then travel three hours by car to get to Mirpur.

Let's break down the lunacy of this. Firstly, Mirpur is 5 and a half thousand miles away from Britain.
One of the MPs, Labour's Tahir Ali, has a constituency in Birmingham, a city where bins are currently not being collected. 41 per cent of children in Birmingham are living in relative poverty.
Apparently there is a pothole on a Midlands Road that has been there longer than some people have beenm locked up in the local prison!
So far, Tahir Ali's major contributions as an MP appear to be calling for blasphemy laws in Britain.

And, now, calling for a new airport in Pakistan. Bonkers. The second bit of nuttery here: Mirpur is where many members of the Pakistani rape gangs reportedly came from. You know, the groups of men who have been raping and abusing predominantly working class white girls on an industrial scale right across Britain.
(There is an argument to suggest we should build an airport in Mirpur, just so we can get a load of deportaton flights sent there!)

The third bit of lunacy: Eight of the MPs who demand a new airport in Pakistan, oppose a third runway at Heathrow.

And people are worried about Reform !!

I am no reform voter but I can see why they have gained in popularity. Immigration is a huge issue in UK because we are seen as an easy target. Most areas have huge waiting lists for social housing. In my area there has been a massive increase in immigration and they are being housed in hotels and in purpose built accommodation whilst their applications are being processed. This is a fact and people should not be accused of racism for stating it or being concerned about it. The current and previous government have done nothing to address this so it’s certainly clear to me why people may turn to an alternative. Multiculturalism for me is an area where people from a range of different culture live together without issues. In some areas certain ethnic cultures are in the majority and this reflects on the schools etc. Then there’s the whole ridiculous gender issues which although appear to be being addressed now, this led to the parties as being a joke. It’s interesting that people are talking about women’s rights. I don’t think the previous government was considering women’s rights when it ruled that biological males could use women’s toilets, compete in women’s sports etc. There are many people who shut down anyone expressing these views as being ‘anti trans’ or ‘stupid’ I would argue that not being able to accept that others might have an opinion that differs to yours is a sign of low intelligence. I think reform would be disastrous for the U.K. but I can see why people are turning towards them. The other parties need to take this as a warning sign and address the main issues.

Of course you don't need to justify your vote wasn't asking you to. It's also no one's business what way individuals vote. Not sure though why a simple question about policy of a political party you have voted needs to spur such anger

What on earth are you talking about ??

She ran on a pro Gaza ( wtf has that got to do with Burnley)

By the same token, wtf has national immigration policy got to do with anyone's local council?