AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

The only party I'm aware that said anything about women's rights in these elections were the Green Party who said that they want to remove all single-sex protections.

It doesn’t surprise me that more people have voted Reform. When you back people into a corner, they will vote for the only alternative as they see it. Many feel they aren’t being listened to, by the Conservatives in the past or by Labour now. They are panicking and voting Reform because they think they are listening to people’s concerns and will take action. Shouting them down and calling them racist does nothing to remedy the situation. It just makes them feel more determined to force change the only way they see possible.

So all of my extended family are die hard Labour voters, always have been. My Step-Dad was even a Labour councillor, so all I knew growing up was my family supporting his own campaign. Massive Tony Blair fans, etc.

However, even my Mum and sister, who will never have any criticism of Labour, are absolutely disgusted by their recent moves re. the winter fuel allowance and disabled people. They can’t get their heads around it, ‘no, these are not Labour policies’. My Mum is proudly working class, and absolutely expects Labour to fund our public services and basically make life more pleasant for poor people and go after the super rich.

I haven’t caught up with yet about how they voted, but should they defect to Reform now/in the future then that would really show up how for me how badly Labour have let them down.

Around 40% of migrants coming to the UK cite work as their primary reason for migration. This means that, on average, one in four people migrating to the UK for at least a year has a primary reason related to employment.

So what are the other 60% doing ??

Reform might "limit immigration" by doing something horrendous like letting people drown in the channel - they are definitely would not look at making the process more efficient to make sure the process of assessing people is quicker and that there is no need for hotels and barges full of desperate people who are not allowed to work.

Re: "they cant be racist as they have brown people in position of power" - erm, Suella Braverman anyone? One of the most racists fuckers in the last Tory government, so what is it about her that I think makes this argument nil and void?...

And no, Reform would do fuck all for ordinary people. They will pocket all the money, reduce the services, privatise the NHS and make sure you have zero rights - maybe have a look at sick leave, maternity pay and worker's right in the US. This is what will happen here is we disengage completely from EU regulations and follow the route Farage is so eager for us to go on.

Also, please tell mw what Farage has done for his constituency. He doesn't even live in UK, and most of the time he is in the US cosying up to Trump. Real man of the poeple, he is.

Delightful. I’ve had a reasonable education, can’t seem to get out of a poorly paid job, and have limited means.
I am in the North. Thanks

@lljkk "Do we want France to have right to pick them up & take them to UK shores?
Think !!"

That happens already !

This. 👍. Screaming racist, and ignoring the current reality doesn’t change a thing. 🤷‍♀️

The news was full of information days before Thursday’s election, on Thursday and the day you were writing this.

I don't think I ever remember the UK being so off kilter. I read my friends post on Facebook and they are spouting all the same things as I have read on this thread.
Don't you all think there is a reason people are upset, no party seems able to sort the mess and don't blaim Brexit, this is about our country not being run for the people, but just reacting instead of planning.
Well it does mean at the next Election there will have to be a manor redirection for the good of the country...

So far Labour have alienated OAP’s, farmers and business with their NI hikes…Starmer has all the appeal of a used tea bag he ain’t cutting it.

Plus their two tier policing…it’s disgraceful…

At the end of the day you can’t polish a turd and that is what this Labour government are.

Labour won’t even acknowledge their mistakes the winter fuel allowance was a catastrophic error by Labour…

Starmer won’t meet Farage head on as Farage would wipe the floor with him.

Watching the news and the elections is the main topic people are sick to the back teeth of how things are being run …hence Reform are now the main opposition party …

I didn't see that interview.

However, as Ben Habib says people do have agency. If people choose to commit suicide then why should our mariners risk their lives?

The French have tried to rescue people from sinking dingies but the migrants have refused. They say they want to wait for Border Force. When the French try to take them on-board they threaten to throw the children overboard.
They have been told to do this by the traffickers.

You'll notice that there is always at least one women & child on each dingy.

This in spades.

it’s not about benefits. It’s about diluting down what we are receiving for our tax money. I work for the nhs, waiting lists are ridiculous, people can’t access the care they need.

I’ll just leave this here!

Having power at local level will allow them to take the SNP stance of success = their policies and work but failure = big bad Westminster

People talk past one another on this issue and use terms in colloquial ways.

I walked through a beautiful housing development the other day in a very posh area of London that I could never in a million years afford despite having a HHI of £250k+. Clean, safe, amazing facilities, private gated gardens etc.

It was the middle of a weekday and I saw a woman, maybe Somali? in a hijab, carrying in Aldi bags and talking to her son? aged in his 20s/30s? who was sitting on the steps.

Now maybe this woman's husband was a hedge fund manager and they paid for that house with his bonuses but let's be honest, it was a new development and this was almost certainly a social housing case.

I don't know anything about their situation. They could be recent refugees, immigrants from a few years ago, heck they could be second generation and born here. But either way my taxes are going to give them this life which is way beyond charity and is a luxury I can't afford for me and my children, and the only reason their family is in the country at all is because of immigration from at some point in the last 10/20/50 years.

Now I don't post on Facebook. I'm an immigrant myself, on a skilled worker visa. But how is it hard to understand that it's not a myth that a lot of resources DO go to support immigrants, and that the UK's current system is very bad at selecting for immigrants who will be self-supporting, and that people can use the evidence of their own eyes to see it?

Sophistry about definitions of "illegals" is irrelevant when the question isn't "are these people technically here via a legal route" but "should that route exist?"

@localnotail Also, please tell mw what Farage has done for his constituency

His voting record is here ;

https://members.parliament.uk/member/5091/voting

It seems you are either a woke or a racist in these politics debates. Hence why I haven't voted in the last two or three elections. Politics just brings out the worst in everyone. I want nothing to do with it, but it is quite amusing watching you lot lock horns every now and then.

UK immigration laws are extremely strict. You cannot stay here or work here (or use the health system) unless you have a valid visa or are granted asylum. Less than half of asylum seekers are granted asylum in the UK. Illegal immigrants CANNOT access welfare services or NHS treatment.

So that means only people living here legitimately (and contributing to the economy) are using the NHS. I don't understand what the issue is? These people are paying taxes and NI, just like you.

The UK's population is ageing. Migrant workers help to boost our working-age population and support public services. Removing them would literally be a disaster for us.

When you look at UK immigration statistics, maybe bare in mind that one of the top three countries people are coming from is Australia. Somehow I bet it's not them you have an issue with.

My DH couldn’t agree more. He has completely opted out of voting at all, he thinks all politicians are a bunch of liars, and morally people he would want nothing to do with IRL.

Do you ever think it is a worry though if increasing numbers do entirely opt out? It’s certainly up to the individual, I just worry that people like you and my DH still have the same right to heard…

This is him sitting in London voting on various issues, which is his job and what he is being paid for. How many times he met people in his constituency and how many local MP surgeries he attended?

I think it's very clear that people have had enough of immigration & none of the other parties are willing to be open and tackle it. I feel desperately sorry for the people risking their lives to get here, but it is unsustainable for us. The pressures on this country are immense, and it's also not helping them settle here when they surely must feel so unwanted. I think it's easy to sit in a nice MC area where you are unaffected by housing shortages and 500 people in a hotel next to you hanging around all day with literally nothing to do and think people are all terrible racists. The reality is the UK is currently a boiling pot where in some areas people are really angry. Some of our own customs and traditions are being erased in the name of being accepting and kind. Do people honestly think if we turned up in the middle east seeking asylum we would be welcomed in, given free health care, housed & given food and money. Absolutely not. People are fed up of being told we just have to accept that we need to help everyone, all the time, to our own detriment.

Go on then, name the development and it will be very easy to confirm if this really was luxury social housing or not.

I actually think it may be a good thing (read on before you judge!). They've got in in my county council and I'm hoping it will be a wake up call to both people like myself who forgot to vote this time until 10 minutes after closing time and other parties who realise they do need to seriously regain trust in their people if they stand a chance of staying in. We need more dynamic and trustworthy policitical parties and of we want to make sure Reform don't win a general election we must make sure we make our vote count.

Reform are going to do an awful job in my county, not just in terms of their political views but in terms of the depth of their policies and their lack of administrative skills. They intend to do a Trump and cut anything they don't like. I think they will prove their incompetence well before the next general election.