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Disgusted by school’s response to complaint about pervy teacher - Update

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SophEll · 01/05/2025 12:30

I have debated whether to post this update but I promised I would in the previous thread (www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5325717-disgusted-by-schools-response-to-complaint-about-pervy-teacher) and I’m someone who keeps their word.

I have had an acknowledgment of my email to the Chair of Governors who assures me they will ensure my previous correspondence with the school will be personally overseen by the Headteacher as opposed to the senior member of staff who replied previously.

The Governor has understandably explained that the school cannot share the details of any internal disciplinary action, but has assured me the head teacher will provide me with a further response in due course, and asked me to provide my contact number. I’ve also confirmed that should it be required, my friend would be happy to provide her account of the evening’s events.

This proves that the school previously dismissing this without investigation was inappropriate, so I must say I’m feeling rather smug right now at this vindication. Given their prompt response, the Governor clearly recognises the reputational impact something like this could have on the school.

Thanks to all those who provided suggestions on how best to proceed (including those who said I should have laughed it off, been flattered etc) - I’ll endeavour to provide a further update once the headteacher concludes their investigation. An impressively prompt response by the Chair - the joys of retirement I guess!

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Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:29

skirtingcurtain · 01/05/2025 20:27

There is Zero, Zilch, Nada to say he would say anything to kids. Why are people making things up as they go along? The man made a sexual comment to a woman in a bar for God’s sake, it’s a massive leap to think he would involve kids. An adult man is allowed to find an adult woman attractive, albeit the way he expressed it could have been much, much better. What the fuck has it got to do with kids though!?

But it wasn't any woman was it? It was the mother of a child he previously taught and referenced the school environment he taught in. At the very least it suggests a serious lack of judgement and stupidity which could potentially be worrying.

Exactly this.

And even if not, that person has rights under the Teaching Standards - ie the professional code of conduct for a teacher.

FrippEnos · 01/05/2025 20:30

from the original OP
he said
‘I always used to imagine what it would have been like to bend you over that desk’

Today at 1550 the OP posted

"Did she go up to a parent of a child she taught and tell him how she wishes she had sat on his face at parents evening?"

Can you spot the difference?

Helloworlditsmeagain · 01/05/2025 20:30

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:25

Well done, SophieEll.

Pursue it as far as you need, you have recourse. Follow up in writing to the head, quote when you left the message and who took it. Keep a paper trail.

Teaching is a profession. There are standards.

The head won't tell her even if there was investigation. He does have confidentially rights. Op has no right to know the outcome of there was one.

NewGirlInTown · 01/05/2025 20:30

You sound absolutely horrible, OP. Your self-satisfaction rolls off the page.
You should have dealt with his comment at the time it happened.
It’s such an overreaction to pursue him into his workplace.
You clearly see yourself as some avenging ninja, righting wrongs and putting people in their place.
I bet your husband is mortified.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:31

Hoppinggreen · 01/05/2025 20:02

A Teacher who was disciplined over this would probably take the school to the bloody cleaners while being supported by his Union.
A school will not risk that.
The only trouble OP could cause is at most a bit of bad publicity.

Really? They would have to prove they did NOT say this. And unless he had a video recording of the whole interaction, I think the chances of that are close to zero.

cardibach · 01/05/2025 20:31

Fourteenandahalf · 01/05/2025 20:06

Yeah ok, if I saw a GP out and about who said 'I always imagined bending you over the table' I'd probably feel like making a complaint

I don't see why people are falling over themselves to say what this teacher has said is ok.

Any GP? Or your own GP? There’s no professional relationship between the OP and the man

OonaStubbs · 01/05/2025 20:31

Is it any wonder that few if any men want to become teachers?

FrippEnos · 01/05/2025 20:32

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:27

Some sort of apology is the least they should get.

Once again

The HT does not have the power to do this, and if they tried to force the teacher in anyway they would end up in trouble. The same goes for any Governor that tried the same.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:32

Fourteenandahalf · 01/05/2025 20:03

Interesting, it was drummed into me a lot during my early years. But we talked a lot about the teacher standards at that time.

Oooh dry humour! Lol :) :)

cardibach · 01/05/2025 20:32

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:06

Teachers uphold public trust in the profession and maintain high standards of
ethics and behaviour, within and outside school...

...showing tolerance of and respect for the rights of others
• not undermining fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule
of law, individual liberty and mutual respect, and tolerance of those with
different faiths and beliefs..."

Which bit of that is violated by a shitty remark to another adult in a nightclub?

LadyJaneBlue · 01/05/2025 20:32

I think institutions often try to side - step their responsibilities when it comes to the out of office behaviors of their staff.

The fact he wanted to "Bend you over a desk" is implicitly a rape fantasy, and not exactly a great character reveal for a school teacher.

The least they could do is talk to him about how this is inappropriate and send him on some kind of 3 day program about what is and what is not appropriate.

skirtingcurtain · 01/05/2025 20:32

Is it any wonder that few if any men want to become teachers?

🙄

Teanbiscuits33 · 01/05/2025 20:32

skirtingcurtain · 01/05/2025 20:27

There is Zero, Zilch, Nada to say he would say anything to kids. Why are people making things up as they go along? The man made a sexual comment to a woman in a bar for God’s sake, it’s a massive leap to think he would involve kids. An adult man is allowed to find an adult woman attractive, albeit the way he expressed it could have been much, much better. What the fuck has it got to do with kids though!?

But it wasn't any woman was it? It was the mother of a child he previously taught and referenced the school environment he taught in. At the very least it suggests a serious lack of judgement and stupidity which could potentially be worrying.

It doesn’t. It suggests he fancies an adult woman and he (rightly) didn’t express that in his professional capacity as her child’s teacher, he expressed it in a bar, albeit inappropriately, years later after her child had no connection to him, and after several drinks. It suggested a lack of judgement under the influence of alcohol, which can affect us all.

It’s quite normal for people to fancy other people, no matter where they might meet them. Plenty of school parents fancy teachers, or people they met due to their own jobs.

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 20:33

cardibach · 01/05/2025 20:32

Which bit of that is violated by a shitty remark to another adult in a nightclub?

Respecting the rights of women to not be subject to misogyny

Leafy74 · 01/05/2025 20:33

OonaStubbs · 01/05/2025 20:31

Is it any wonder that few if any men want to become teachers?

Some here are bending over backwards to see him as a paedo on the basis on him being attracted to an adult.
These people are stupid and dangerous.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:33

Aitchemarsey · 01/05/2025 20:11

"British values" is about combating extremism, not being a perv.

He sounds like an arse but I can't say I've ever been offended enough by anyone to actively try to destroy their livelihood in the way OP clearly wants to.

I don't think you can argue what he said to them was respectful.

ThisOldThang · 01/05/2025 20:33

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:31

Really? They would have to prove they did NOT say this. And unless he had a video recording of the whole interaction, I think the chances of that are close to zero.

Errrrr. That's the opposite of how things work.

The school would need to prove that he did say it. Unless he was stupid enough to admit it and sign his name on a confession, there's zero chance of that happening.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:33

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 20:33

Respecting the rights of women to not be subject to misogyny

👍

cardibach · 01/05/2025 20:34

Didimum · 01/05/2025 20:07

It was at a school meeting with children present, during which teacher was updating OP about her DC’s progress.

What was?
The man said, much later (years?) that he thought it after seeing her at parents’ evening. Not that he thought it at the meeting (I guarantee no teacher is thinking sexy thoughts at PE). It was a dodgy chat up line which he immediately knew was dodgy and walked back from.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:34

LadyJaneBlue · 01/05/2025 20:32

I think institutions often try to side - step their responsibilities when it comes to the out of office behaviors of their staff.

The fact he wanted to "Bend you over a desk" is implicitly a rape fantasy, and not exactly a great character reveal for a school teacher.

The least they could do is talk to him about how this is inappropriate and send him on some kind of 3 day program about what is and what is not appropriate.

Exactly this

cardibach · 01/05/2025 20:34

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:08

Professional conduct outside school, high standards of behaviour, respect for the rights of others, not undermining fundamental British values including...mutual respect.

That’s a stretch

Fourteenandahalf · 01/05/2025 20:34

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/05/2025 20:12

Nobody is.

Some people definitely have over these 30 pages !!

skirtingcurtain · 01/05/2025 20:35

I don't see why people are falling over themselves to say what this teacher has said is ok.

Too many teachers on MNs and they are an odd bunch, highly reactive to any form of criticism, a bit like the dog lovers. Thankfully I know plenty of teachers in real life, MNs is not representative.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 20:35

Helloworlditsmeagain · 01/05/2025 20:30

The head won't tell her even if there was investigation. He does have confidentially rights. Op has no right to know the outcome of there was one.

If she takes him to the TRA she will. The head is not god.

OonaStubbs · 01/05/2025 20:35

How is "bend you over a desk" implicitly a rape fantasy?

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