Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

That was NWA

My MIL was a teacher in an integrated school and when kids were sent to her for saying/writing FTP/FTQ she always started by asking what it was about the queen / pope that they found so attractive.

Haven’t rtft but yanbu

Except you’re literally doing it right now. You’re telling me that what I have experienced myself is “made up”. How the fuck would you know the experience of being northern Irish and interacting with English people?

If the only genocide is Israel is perpetrated by Hamas, then the only genocide in Gaza is perpetrated by Israel, surely?

Bet you’re the type that start talking about African slave traders when racist oppression is discussed aren’t you.

I’ve experienced enough lecturing from the English in my life to connect this very clearly with the colonial mindset. You can witter on about who did what in the name of Britain and meanwhile I will still know that the English just fucking love telling the Irish alllll about themselves.

Yes up the Ra and other slogans and references. Combine it with using the synonymous balaclava and a member of the band being called provo....

If it walks like a duck....

I'm mixed race and Scottish so you can stick your ignorant bigoted assumptions where the sun doesn't shine.

See this to me is the hallmark of a coward. If you’ve got an opinion, and you want to make it known, say it and stand by it. There’s loads of people that I actually really disagree with but I respect as they’re consistent and principled. Weeding out of things by backtracking, saying things that were very plain were ‘taken out of context’, making conflicting statements, and alluding to things while denying you are, to me is just a sign of a morally weak person.

Lesson learned @queenmeadhbh- never make assumptions! It makes an ass out of u&me…

'will still know that the English just fucking love telling the Irish alllll about themselves'

'The English'. What, everyone?

Well, I know that some Irish just fucking love telling anyone who'll listen all about the English. They need to learn to let go and move on and kneecap should change the record 🥱.

The double standards here are obvious, and I say this as someone who identifies with the political left. Lucy Connolly’s actions were undeniably wrong and inexcusable, but her custodial sentence is disproportionate, especially when considered in the context of her personal tragedy and the loss of her child. It can’t be one rule for her and a different rule for Kneecap. This isn’t a case of failing to see the double standards it’s a decision by those on the left to ignore it for political convenience.

Really? That’s the level of argument you operate at? I’m embarrassed for you that you haven’t evolved beyond the ‘Your mum!’ ‘No,your mum!’ playground stage.

Not all men! Not all English people! Not all white people.

many. How’s that?

i would LOVE to “move on”, but it’s hard when we are still living in the consequences and trauma of civil war. And to add insult to injury MANY English people that have spoken to me over MANY years exhibit a tendency to britsplain Northern Ireland to me.

My bigoted assumption that what, because you resort to fallacies about the British empire when discussing Ireland that you will also resort to fallacies when discussing racist oppression? I don’t see what’s so ridiculous about that assumption.

You being Scottish and mixed race has NOTHING to do with what is being demonstrated on this thread - English people telling Irish people to just “get over it and move on” while demonstrating they have little understanding of the complex social and political situation.

You assumed the poster had a lofty and Colonialist view of racism. Who, embarrassingly for you, clarified she is mixed race and now you’re doubling down as you’ve expressed the ‘all brown people must think like me’ thing. By telling them being mixed race has ‘nothing to do with’ this thread despite the fact you brought race up

So what are we living under? Half a million dead, cities levelled, a debt we only finished paying back this side of the Millennium? Many of us with dead grandparents or great grandparents or relatives?

Or do you have the monopoly on this?

No, I assumed the poster invokes whataboutery fallacies when discussing politics of power. Turns out I was indeed wrong and they only invoke them for Ireland.

I think you owe that poster an apology.

?! The monopoly on what? Pain? Trauma? Of course bloody not. I am saying that many English people talk about the troubles like it is the PAST when it is the present. It’s not about grandparents and great grandparents. It is about my generation and our parents generation. We’re still living it.

so of course I am going to correct people when they say that it is in the past and we should forget it: it’s not.

I don't recall them having an 'ooh ah up the ra' controversy, do you know where or when?
You know the IRA didn't actually run around wearing tricolour balaclavas?
I mean if the duck is anti-sectarian... If you say you are anti-sectarian, if you take action supporting kids who are from the other side of the sectarian divide, if you make a film that satirises po faced, authoritarian republicans... If it walks like that duck?

There's plenty of info out there regarding their use of the chants, slogans, references and imagery - black balaclavas too. You don't have to dive deep, it's very easy to find.

Anyone can say anything but if your words and actions directly contradict what you claim is your position then its totally meaningless. A bit like their faux outrage. It's gaslighting by any other name.

'I am saying that many English people talk about the troubles like it is the PAST when it is the present. It’s not about grandparents and great grandparents. It is about my generation and our parents generation. We’re still living it'

The active terrorism and gang warfare has stopped hasn't it? Many people live with the aftermath of conflict, not easy to move on but a stupid band shouting up the ra isn't helping anyone is it?

Thank you

Unfortunately it's easier for people to double down then own their mistakes.

You’re living it because you haven’t decided between yourselves a way forward.

Britain did. We decided to strengthen ties with our EU neighbours (back then of course - thanks Brexit), and arrange things so further conflict would be less likely. And that included joining the EEC to further integrate and work with Germany on common goals. We didn’t decide to carry on battling out a grudge.