Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

I am very sorry @Willyoujustbequiet that I presumed you were incapable of logical political thought in all arenas.
as I said; I see it is limited to Ireland.

Indeed

I almost have second hand embarrassment for Qeenmeadhbh tbh.

Honestly!! You are literally doing what I am saying is the problem! Thinking you know better, and that Ireland’s problems are just all of our own silly making and if we could just all be a bit more like the English we’d get over it. “Battling out a grudge” is an incredibly reductive, dismissive way to describe the effects of irelands history on its population. You can’t see see that you are proving my point.

They are obviously republicans, so they will share a whole host of beliefs and views with violent republicans but it doesn't make them IRA supporters. Can you link up some evidence to support your view?

Billy Bragg flies an England flag and would describe himself as a patriot but he is as far away as possible from the far right who wave the same flag and give themselves the same description.

I am not pro kneecap and I think they are daft wee boys and shouting “ooh ah up the ra” is just stupidity. Yes there is a ceasefire but the paramilitary violence continues. We all live with the threat of sectarian violence. Less than we used to, but still do.

i really just cannot abide being told by people who do not live in Northern Ireland that it is in the past and we just need to get over it. Never mind the ongoing violence: the generation that bore the brunt of the atrocities are in their sixties. It’s not something that happened to our grandparents or great grandparents.

'Yes there is a ceasefire but the paramilitary violence continues. We all live with the threat of sectarian violence. Less than we used to, but still do.'

Paramilitary violence? Isn't it just gang warfare. Drug dealing based or are we still blaming it on The English. Genune question as KneeCap in their very own docu drama showed the drug dealing is big business with lots of cross gang fights.

What so the British government ignores NI for decades underfunds it, does mental things like Brexit without a single thought for NI and it's all NIs fault they haven't found a way forward past the trauma of conflict under British rule? Britain just gets to wash their hands of them, introduce the Legacy Bill and pretend nothing ever happened?

What neighbours should they be making friends with? Ireland? The Irish government looked out for NI and holding the peace agreement far more than the British did when it came to Brexit. Ireland are investing 1billion of our taxes in NI over the next few years to do things like fund Ulster University, fix their canals, support female entrepreneurs, Green businesses etc etc because the UK won't. NI has friends, they also have really disinterested rulers in the UK who would rather all the nasty business was forgotten about and have NI just rot away quietly in poverty across the pond.

Surely you can just Google?

If chants, slogans, references, imagery, band names aren't sufficient to draw a reasonable conclusion then I'm not sure you would ever agree no matter what was presented.

What's even worse is they make money from exploiting it.

I think sometimes when you’re very emotionally invested in a situation it’s hard to see it objectively. Talk of the famine, events from 100+ years ago - I don’t think any objective bystander would say this is a rationale by which to live ‘oppressed by trauma’, given virtually every nationality has been through something awful in recent history.

The British govt didn’t ’do Brexit’, they did a referendum which NI was entitled to vote in same as anyone else. The incumbent govt campaigned against Brexit.

1 billion is nothing. The UK pays a subsidy of 15 billion to NI every year which is higher than we paid annually to the EU while still a member. The Irish govt is doing this because it will in turn benefit them, as well as paving the way for a future referendum to go their way. The Irish aren’t inherently better people than anyone else, even if you want them to be.

'1 billion is nothing. The UK pays a subsidy of 15 billion to NI every year '

Yes maybe, just maybe it's the leaders in NI who cannot manage their budgets effectively.

It seems very few of the devolved nations can.

Yes, I googled, I didnt find any evidence of them supporting the IRA or chanting ooh ah up the ra.

As above Irish republican slogans are a perfectly legitimate form of expression. The imagery they use is of a west Belfast hood culture which which was historically targeted by the IRA for punishments like kneecapping. Loyalists kneecapped people too so presumably you think they band name reference is cross community?

You know they took the British government to (a British) court over their funding being withdrawn on the basis of uninformed and unevidencef views like this and they won?

I think when you know fuck all about a subject, it’s very hard not to talk complete shite about it

It’s really not a social phenomenon though.

You don’t know who we are so your assumptions that we know “fuck all” ( unlike you) are founded on your own arrogance

I’ll tell you who is “talking shite “ - Kneecap

As you’re nicely proving with your Ireland/Palestine comparison.

I didn’t mention Palestine at all?

Cards on the table - not Irish. I am a Scottish/British person living in the west of Scotland, who has visited all parts of Ireland on multiple occasions.

Try going to a Rangers/Celtic game and expressing the opinion that the Troubles are distant history and of no relevance to 21st century society. There is an Orange Lodge less than a mile as the crow flies from my house. Catholic children educated separately.

Yes things are BETTER in N Ireland than they were in the 80s and 90s but that's starting from a pretty low bar. A friend who is in N Ireland and works for the government (not police) still has to be very careful about telling people what she does and discusses her job in hushed terms. No, we're not hearing about car bombings or seeing camo police on the border at Newry with their guns but come on, nobody who's see the peace wall or walked down the Shankill or Falls road can think there is not an undercurrent there.

Yes - agreed 💯.
Which is exactly why Kneecap is unhelpful in stoking up the bitterness and hatred. It’s not what NI needs

I agree that the legacy of the past still wounds people today .
But I do think acts like Kneecap do nothing to heal those wounds .

I'm sorry but I simply don't believe you are genuine now. There are multiple first hand accounts from their concerts. In addition of course to their support of other terrorist organisations. It really is gaslighting you know. They are dripping with bigotry.

The denial is about as credible as Gerry Adams when he insists he wasn't a member.

I feel like I have strayed into flat earth territory here so I'll leave it at that. I'm not willing to engage further so say what you will.

Yes, gang warfare. You get it everywhere whatever the history of the place is. Drugs, guns. In NI it seems to always be in the guise of political protests or 'sectarian' conflicts but it's just gangs and drugs like everywhere else.

People like kneecap make out they're on some kind of crusade, nope they're just thickos stirring up hate and violence. Why would they want to do that?! It's as if no one learns anything.

Ugh did you really have to show this paedophile's face? Thankfully he will never be seen in politics again