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BlossomBlanket · 2025-04-29T18:49:45+00:00

But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested. (To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:55

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:45

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful. Ireland is currently in much better place. There are countries that are suffering oppression NOW . Ireland is affluent and at peace and should focus on staying at peace .
Can’t stand the anti English hatred . ( or anti Irish hatred which Kneecap’s attitudes would help to revive)

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You can tell the difference between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, yes?

XWKD · 30/04/2025 08:59

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:31

The ones who “claim Irish heritage and family “ are the ones who forebears often suffered most as they had to emigrate because of the Troubles ( and before that the Famine)

Stop playing the victim.
Ireland is a very wealthy and privileged nation.
gfmag.com/data/richest-countries-in-the-world/

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That's compete bullshit. Do you think everyone who suffered had the option to emigrate?

Did people left behind in Syria suffer less than those who managed to become refugees?

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:59

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:59

This was the post that referenced Ireland as a whole

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The whole of the island of Ireland suffered from famine in the 19th century and the suppression of its language, because the Republic didn't gain independence until the 1920s. So in the historical period referenced, it was indeed all the same place.

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 09:16

RuledbytheWashingMachine · 30/04/2025 08:21

As someone who lives in NI, I can tell most of you don't understand what here is like. I come from a unionist background and went to completely protestant schools. The opposite of Kneecap! Even though I am neutral and don't participate in the twelfth or anything cultural, you can tell it's the first thing most people try to work out about you. There is a lack of trust on both sides

What you are dominates everything here. Where you live, work, learn and where you feel comfortable. There's nothing more unnerving than getting lost in Derry or Belfast and finding yourself in an area covered in terrorist flags and murals. There is lingering atmosphere of terror, whether this is West Belfast or Newtownards.

Even though the troubles ended when I was a teenage, I still remember the violence, bombings and killings that were discussed on the news every single night. I remember army stop points with their massive guns. Every one here knows someone who were killed in the terrorism. My grandparents told me of stories of vans being blew up on their way to work and how the bomb in the town five miles away made their homes tremble. It is hard to forget.

Northern Ireland may look all peaceful and flowers in the outside but there a bitterness underneath behind closed doors.

Integration education really needs to be supported. Faith schools are keeping the divide well and truly open. Unfortunately our bigot education minister is determined to put it on hold.

From the media, I sense there's a romanticism forming about the IRA. That they were patriots fighting for their freedom and country. However the constant bombing and killing just makes them murderers. I don't think we should be glorifying murderers who killed women, children and innocent men.

Kneecap are just young and stupid.

Yes. I am from a “soft nationalist” catholic background and recognise everything you say. English people with Irish or northern Irish family absolutely love telling us “how it is”. And to “get over the past”. It’s not the past. We live in it. We know this. Take your colonisers hat off and stop telling us about our own lives because you spent some summers in Portrush in the 90s.

agree kneecap are young, stupid, polemicists.

ExtraOnions · 30/04/2025 09:21

BlossomBlanket · 30/04/2025 08:09

The terms 'left' and 'right' originate from the French revolution, at the political assembly those on the left were the 'progressives' who advocated for the end of monarchy and those on the right supported the old order. Left then became associated, primarily in the UK with Marxism and the trade union movement. Leftism previously was largely focused on economic inequality. After Occupy a shift occurred and the focus on class disparities were downgraded (significantly) in favour of identity politics.

The left are now no longer defined by any core principals, not one will they abandon in a heartbeat in the service of a trendy cause. Their agenda is largely establishment, set by media, banking and academic elites, larping as subversive. It's more a fandom than a grassroots, serious, political movement. But the same can be said of the right now too. It is a shorthand, no longer fit for purpose other than to communicate in a way that is broadly understood and neither party wishes to overinvest in greater clarity. As a faction - you know who I am talking about.

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I’ve no idea who you are taking about.

You’ve copied & pasted something about the French Revolution.

What is it about Kneecap that makes you think that they are following an Establishment Agenda? Do you think they are doing the work of the Banking and Media Elites ?

If Leftism is a “fandom” with no key principles, or central tenants, how can anyone be called “leftie” as the phrase is meaningless under your own definition.

What is it that is “broadly understood” ?

You said they were “left”, but now say that there us no such thing as “left” - so I can only imagine you were using it as a pejorative term, to say “anyone not agreeing with me”.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 09:36

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 09:16

Yes. I am from a “soft nationalist” catholic background and recognise everything you say. English people with Irish or northern Irish family absolutely love telling us “how it is”. And to “get over the past”. It’s not the past. We live in it. We know this. Take your colonisers hat off and stop telling us about our own lives because you spent some summers in Portrush in the 90s.

agree kneecap are young, stupid, polemicists.

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This

Always find it weird that certain people feel it is there place to tell others to get over it and stop playing the victim

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 09:47

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:55

You can tell the difference between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, yes?

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Yes - obviously

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 09:49

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 09:36

This

Always find it weird that certain people feel it is there place to tell others to get over it and stop playing the victim

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No - you carry on dwelling on the trauma of the past . No one can stop you.

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 09:49

Gremlins101 · 30/04/2025 08:28

But it is the case that a huge majority of people in ireland are pro palestine because of the shared history of oppression and genocide against them. It doesn't matter ireland are a wealthy country now (with massive socio economic problems mind), the history has shaped the country.

People don't hate an English person for being English. Many people hate the British political establishment and what it represents.

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Blindly supporting something unrelated because it has some very tenuous (and I mean VERY tenuous) parallels with your own country’s events from years ago?

Did they support Al Qaeda as well?

JeremiahBullfrog · 30/04/2025 09:49

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:50

The name is a satirical take on West Belfast stereotypes.

Wondering if I'm the only person on this thread to have seen the Kneecap film.

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People have been using "satire" to cover up awful opinions for a long time.

5dollah · 30/04/2025 09:49

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Hear. Hear.

Glitterybee · 30/04/2025 09:51

A line from one of my favourite songs comes to mind

“And you dare to call me a terrorist while you look down your gun”

Please educate yourself on the role that Britain played in Irish history

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 09:54

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 09:49

No - you carry on dwelling on the trauma of the past . No one can stop you.

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Agree.

Yeah the fact I have an Irish background is sort of meaningless, I’m not Irish, although I’m still Catholic which is a minority (and frankly despised, second only to Islam) religion in England.

But I stand by what I said - England suffered far more during WW2 than Ireland ever did in the troubles, times a thousand. Entire cities levelled, half a million dead, shocking debt that wasn’t cleared until after the Millennium.

I don’t think the Irish will ever really know what it’s like to go through devastation on that scale in relatively modern history.

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 09:54

This is manufactured fake outrage and Kneecap fans, me included, won't be lectured by politicians who support genocide or the uninformed mouths who jump on every angry train if it means they can have a go at Irish Republicans or anyone who cares about the suppression of Palestinians. The root cause of both, of course, is British imperialism.

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 09:55

Glitterybee · 30/04/2025 09:51

A line from one of my favourite songs comes to mind

“And you dare to call me a terrorist while you look down your gun”

Please educate yourself on the role that Britain played in Irish history

Educate yourself on Britain in the last 100 years. We have zero interest in keeping Ireland at heel, the average person has next to zero opinion on it. It’s time for everyone to move on. Supporting terrorists as some kind of ‘revenge’ is nonsensical and pathetic.

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 09:56

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 09:54

This is manufactured fake outrage and Kneecap fans, me included, won't be lectured by politicians who support genocide or the uninformed mouths who jump on every angry train if it means they can have a go at Irish Republicans or anyone who cares about the suppression of Palestinians. The root cause of both, of course, is British imperialism.

Do you acknowledge Hamas carried out an atrocity in October 2023, and do you acknowledge Kneecap verbally supported them?

I won’t get a straight answer to that - but one can ask.

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 09:57

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:50

The name is a satirical take on West Belfast stereotypes.

Wondering if I'm the only person on this thread to have seen the Kneecap film.

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I've seen it, it's class.

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 10:01

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 09:56

Do you acknowledge Hamas carried out an atrocity in October 2023, and do you acknowledge Kneecap verbally supported them?

I won’t get a straight answer to that - but one can ask.

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Do you know the conflict, the suppression of Palestinians, the land theft, the apartheid, the harassment & ethnic cleansing started 70 years before that? Probably not.

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 10:03

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:30

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful.

How is it the past? The country is still partitioned, many want it united many don't, things aren't sorted you know

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Yes and it’s well within your control to un-partition it. The GF agreement is explicit that a referendum must be held, in conjunction with the Republic, if it looks like there is majority support for reunification and leaving the UK.

So, although you were oppressed in history, and there’s no doubt about that - you’re not any more. Ireland is free to do as it wishes. Rightly so.

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 10:03

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 10:01

Do you know the conflict, the suppression of Palestinians, the land theft, the apartheid, the harassment & ethnic cleansing started 70 years before that? Probably not.

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Knew it! How weak. If somebody answers me a question, I answer, no matter how uncomfortable.

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 10:05

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 10:03

Knew it! How weak. If somebody answers me a question, I answer, no matter how uncomfortable.

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What are you on about? 😂

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 10:06

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 10:05

What are you on about? 😂

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Now the faux ignorance starts.

User46576 · 30/04/2025 10:10

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 09:54

This is manufactured fake outrage and Kneecap fans, me included, won't be lectured by politicians who support genocide or the uninformed mouths who jump on every angry train if it means they can have a go at Irish Republicans or anyone who cares about the suppression of Palestinians. The root cause of both, of course, is British imperialism.

You’re supporting terrorism. The only genocide in Israel is that perpetrated by hamas.

you rely on the government to protect you against people like hamas and the IRA yet you support the terrorists because you think it’s cool and you know you’re safe thanks to the sacrifice of others. It’s pathetic

CallMeMabel · 30/04/2025 10:12

Nunaluna · 30/04/2025 10:06

Now the faux ignorance starts.

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Yeah, that's it! 😂

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 10:17

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 09:49

No - you carry on dwelling on the trauma of the past . No one can stop you.

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Once again it is not the past it is current as I have mentioned to you before. Great some think all is great and amicable in NI and people can "move on" maybe read the posts from those that live there rather patronise them