Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

And the journalists opinion is valid and based on his own experience but that doesn’t make anyone else’s experience invalid. I find the advice to ‘speak to their parents’ to be quite condescending but from what I have read about the band members their parents were a massive influence on them. So they have that box ticked,
https://artscouncil-ni.org/news/obituary-gearoid-o-caireallain

A real shame they have brought such discredit to the noble aim of promoting Irish Language and culture.

Agreed 💯

'A real shame they have brought such discredit to the noble aim of promoting Irish Language and culture.'

Yes all a bit of an own goal really. The film was funny in parts and promotion of the language really admirable yet then they spoil it with telling people to kill politicians.

You wonder what they'll do at Glastonbury, if they carry on inciting hate they'll be cancelled and if they don't their fans will call them sell outs. Be interesting to see how they'll play it.

'Well clearly if people cherry pick quotes from a balanced article'

I quoted him twice. It was what he said. No point me c&p the whole article again was there.

Irish language and culture aren’t just represented by people like Enya, or Iarla Ó Lionáird or whoever.
It’s everyone, everything Irish.
It’s not niche, or at least it shouldn’t be.

That’s true

You cherry picked quotes to lose the point of the piece which he summed up at the end "This controversy has inspired hypocrisy on both sides. While Kneecap’s rightwing critics are suddenly enthusiastic about “cancel culture” and “offence archaeology”, their defenders have transformed into free-speech absolutists. One thing invariably holds true though: politicians who attack musicians come off as opportunistic, authoritarian and often foolish in their thirst for soft targets"

Ok for you to 'cherry pick' too'?

I posted 2 quotes thst imo were relevant to his apparently 'balanced piece'.

One suggesting the British press were busybodies quoting the crap that they'd spouted and another revealing that their Incendiary comments carried no merit. It's hardly ground breaking stuff is it.

Your last sentence absolutely sums up his balanced piece doesn't it? 'Politicians who attack musicians', or <to be balanced> 'politicians who scrutinise hate speech and incendiary comments are doing their job'.

I really hate it when people immediately paint any criticism they don’t agree with as “right wing “
But that’s the Guardian for you …

( You don’t have to be right wing to object to people saying “Up Hamas” or calling for the killing of Tory MPs)

Exactly. We're right wing because we object to 'kill your MP' and 'up hamas'. Very balanced journo.

Where did he say that they were busybodies? He said they combed through archives and pulled up old footage. Kneecap were hardly on their radar pre Coachella so of course they combed through old footage, that's not a criticism. Politicians are most certainly attacking musicians - they were held to account, apologised (this has been done to death in this thread), and a politician has written to the Glastonbury mgt recommending they be removed from the blll - that's an attack on their music. Many other musicians have spoken out in support of them against this attack.

I posted the article as there aren't many articles that attempt to present this in a balanced way, and that make sense to me, out there.

It’s really not that balanced a view . ( It’s the Guardian)

'Where did he say that they were busybodies? He said they combed through archives and pulled up old footage'

It's the wording isn't it. The 'British press combed through' suggesting they were being busybodies.

Honestly this trio of idiots said this crap, it's all there online it isn't as if anyone was rifling through their litter bins reading private correspondence or eavesdropping on conversations.

Their apology was a half arsed 'yeah but no but' sulky load of nonsense. Still, it was a backtrack so they maybe have learnt their lesson.

For context: I'm from a strongly Unionist background, currently living back home in an area well known for sectarianism in the past (and it's rampant today too). DF is ex-army, and two cousins (one of who posts here) in the police.

In England/Wales people don't generally have an understanding of what goes on here, and is accepted as "normal". I'll refrain from commenting on republicanism as I have only indirect experience (but will say I feel it's a mirror image). But just take a look at our parades, posters, murals, bonfires, etc. In Scotland, anyone who goes see Rangers (and you have my sympathy this year) will know what I mean too. These people will never be locked up, or pay a price.

I did watch the Kneecap recent movie. I really don't like the music. I don't understand the language and have no interest in it.

Honestly, what really upset me was the glorifying of drugs. It's sickening! I really don't care about their republicanism, I'm on the opposite side of that debate and will never change. Drugs are having a huge negative impact in NI, and it's basically run by paramilitary criminals ... who the users are indirectly supporting.

I mean these days not wanting a new housing estate blocking your light out is ‘right wing’. As is stating any drawbacks to working from home. The accusation is now meaningless and ridiculous

No, everyone here pretty much has objected to them saying what they said. I’ve repeated several times that they shouldn’t have said it. I’m not right wing. What makes it right wing is thinking they should be imprisoned for saying it.

No -you’re incorrect there - lots of posters didn’t object to what Kneecap said.
Instead they

1. deflected by repeatedly referring to the horror of what’s happening in Gaza ( as if supporting Hamas helps with that) and expressed outrage that we were even discussing Kneecap
2. they minimised by suggesting Kneecap were only kids and a balaclava is only a woolly hat
3. they suggested those who weren’t from NI couldn’t understand or knowledgeably comment on Kneecap as we didn’t know the context and were not sufficiently Irish.

Most of the conversation on this board has consisted of multiple variations of the above -
I don’t recall many unequivocal objections to Kneecap’s glorification of terrorism.

I’m not sure how you extrapolated that from a 34 page thread, t that 3 point summary aims to minimise views and experiences that challenge yours and polarise posters including those on both sides of the poll who have attempted to give reasoned responses. It doesn’t bring anything to the discussion.

I don’t recall many unequivocal objections to Kneecap’s glorification of terrorism.

There have been plenty. People have written "I unequivocally object to the glorification of the IRA, HAMAS or any form of terrorism". To be met with the response of "I wonder why you feel the need to write that?" They can't win on this thread.

I was replying to a pp point saying that most posters had objected to Kneecap’s words. I don’t think many posters did object .
Fine if you don’t agree . 🤷‍♀️

Indeed. I liked the 'there's nothing threatening about a man in a stripey hat!" best. Kind of sums up the levels of minimising we've seen perfectly.

I’m not trawling back but I don’t recall one post saying they were right to say what they said. The horror of Gaza is always relevant.

Yep! It’s been… enlightening 🤔

Correct no one has said they're right to say it <as that would be incitement and supporting terrorism > however there's just been lots of 'they shouldn't have said it, but' going on.