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Finding it hard not to resent friend on benefits

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ArlJudey · 27/04/2025 18:20

I’m friends with a woman, she has 4 kids all fairly young still. She’s single (dad not in the country so no maintenance), she lives in a 3 bed council house that is nicer than my home (okay she got lucky as I know some of the council houses around here are awful but she’s in a lovely spacious house). She works 15 hours a week, above minimum wage but I don’t know by how much, she gets UC and child benefit and Scottish child payment on top of this, I know she doesn’t have any family help etc.

Anyway met with this friend today and she complained that she can’t afford to go anywhere nice on holiday, she’s going to Egypt in the summer for the week; last year she went to Greece so she’s hardly slumming it. She brags about having no debt at all, her kids have nice clothes (though I know she is a Vinted wizard), doesn’t seem to struggle at Christmas, uses gousto every week etc.

AIBU to resent that she seems to have a much nicer life than I do with 2 kids working full time (also single). I know there are some obvious differences like I have a small amount of debt I’m paying off and have a car to pay for/fuel/insure.
I really don’t get how on benefits she’s doing it!

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vincettenoir · 27/04/2025 20:46

SugarCoatedPants · 27/04/2025 20:35

YANBU OP. I stand with you. She should work a normal 40 hour week like everyone else does and provide for her own kids.

I don’t know anyone with four small children who works a 40 hour week. Who would advocate for that?

MereNoelle · 27/04/2025 20:50

SugarCoatedPants · 27/04/2025 20:35

YANBU OP. I stand with you. She should work a normal 40 hour week like everyone else does and provide for her own kids.

As a single parent to 4 kids under 7, with no involvement from their father and no other support? I doubt many are working a 40 hour week in those circumstances.

MyDeftDuck · 27/04/2025 20:50

Jealously is such a distasteful thing

ForPearlNewt · 27/04/2025 20:54

crackofdoom · 27/04/2025 19:14

You are envious of a single mum with a 2 year old, 4 year old twins and a 6 year old?!

Oh, and she's working, too?

I am full of admiration for someone coping with all that and not going insane tbh.

This. I think she's doing bloody well to be managing part time work tbh. Four kids under 7 and a shameful "father" abroad not paying any maintenance. That must be incredibly hard work. I can't believe the OP is envious of that, or the number of people on this thread whinging about her getting some help.

Winifredtabago · 27/04/2025 21:00

Allthetimeintheworld25 · 27/04/2025 18:37

MN seems to want to deny this happens, but it does, quite often. People know how to play the system. But, what do they actually have at the end of it? The children are grown and gone, those benefit stop and then what?

Next up claim for anxiety or depression.

Beadedcat · 27/04/2025 21:01

This is insane. It must be incredible difficult, beyond difficult, coping alone with 4 young children (including twins!), and working when the youngest is only 2. Just imagining the physical exhaustion and sleep deprivation is beyond me.

Happilyobtuse · 27/04/2025 21:05

Normally I am against anyone on benefits doing better than anyone in full time work. But your friend has 4 kids and no partner, she still works 15hrs, I honestly commend that and think she deserves every penny she gets! If she wasn’t working at all I could understand your stance but she is working and managing small children all on her own. Kudos to her! You are unfortunately not a true friend!

Lookuptotheskies · 27/04/2025 21:10

She sounds like an amazing mum juggling four under 6 since dad buggered off, she has zero help from him practical or financial. And she is educated and working too.

When he left she couldn't afford private rent and now has a council house. So she was no doubt at one point after he left scared she'd have no home. 😔 I'm so pleased for her that she now has a secure long term tenancy.

She doesn't spend on herself eg hair and nails, she buys meal plan food deliveries (good option I think, I bet she has little time to meal plan and meal prep!) and they probably work out good value for her tbh. She budgets to make sure her kids have nice activities and a summer holiday. Good for her!

You sound so envious and mean spirited OP. I'm sorry you're so bitter about it all.

ksksn10 · 27/04/2025 21:22

I’d be glad if my friends kids were well looked after and my friend was happy but I get what you mean.

ksksn10 · 27/04/2025 21:23

@Lookuptotheskies I agree, I think good on her if she’s stayed in her field. I think she sounds great.

vincettenoir · 27/04/2025 21:27

ArlJudey · 27/04/2025 20:25

Okay I get that being envious won’t help me and I do love my friend. I guess it’s the system that bothers me.

As far as I know she isn’t playing the system, she’s had a messy couple of years (from happily married to where she is now) her ex and father to all the children had a well paying (well by Scottish standards) job, they were renting but saving for a deposit etc. Then when the youngest of her children was 10 months he divorced her and returned to his home country straight away, she’s had no contact with him since. She couldn’t afford the rent for where they were alone etc.

I don’t think the benefits cap impacts her as she makes over the amount needed to be exempt from it and she can claim for 3 of her kids as the twins are a multiple birth.

She is still pretty young (28) so I don’t think she needs to be worried about her pension as she will be 30/31 when her youngest starts school and will return to full time work I’m sure, like I said she is still working and in a decent job earning above minimum wage.

I think it just bothers me that the benefits system supports someone to live a life of what I view as luxury, gousto boxes every week, holidays, kids do tennis, swimming and athletics clubs. I know she doesn’t spend lots on herself (doesn’t dye her hair or get her nails done for example) but it seems like her kids have more than mine do? I couldn’t afford for my kids to do 3 clubs, go to Egypt, I definitely can’t afford £60 a week on gousto etc.

It’s not that I think she’s abusing the system but I just feel the system is wrong.

What do you think is wrong with it?

Fofftwenty21 · 27/04/2025 21:39

Yes YABU.

Your time would be better spent looking at what changes you want to make in your own life.

Mrsgreen100 · 27/04/2025 21:44

I’m with you , I have two people I know who haven’t worked for years , they have more disposable income than me
I’ve worked hard my whole life , it seriously pisses me off
living on benefits needs to be changed
it’s ridiculous, the rest of us are paying for them

abracadabra1980 · 27/04/2025 21:48

Agree with everything @Hollyaddysays. All of a sudden the life stages change very quickly-before she knows it she'll be desperately trying to live on her state pension and you'll be living comfortably.

Jigsawasaurus · 27/04/2025 21:59

I get it, it's really hard when you're working, juggling kids and you're also a single mum. Especially when it looks like your friend is able to do so much more than you while she's on benefits. However, you never know the full story of anyone's life. You might think you do, but you don't.

Honestly, I'd chat to your friend and see if she can help ensure you're claiming all you're entitled to. She clearly knows her stuff and there are plenty of legitimate ways to maximise your claim without fiddling the system, just knowing how it fits together.

Iloveyoubut · 27/04/2025 22:02

ArlJudey · 27/04/2025 18:39

It just doesn’t feel like it, her youngest is 2, eldest 6 (twins in between) so it’s not like the benefits will go anywhere anytime soon. She has a degree, is still working in her field so when her youngest is in school she will be able to find full time work and progress easily, I don’t see it like she’s on borrowed time at all.

Get a grip! You never know what is around the corner for anyone. Including yourself. Focus on your own life sbd honestly, end this ‘friendship’ because it’s eating you up here and you’re not her friend. Would you be happy to see her suffer? Maybe get sick? Struggle more? What would make you happy OP? To see her hurt? Get out of her life because you clearly despise her.

Jigsawasaurus · 27/04/2025 22:04

Jigsawasaurus · 27/04/2025 21:59

I get it, it's really hard when you're working, juggling kids and you're also a single mum. Especially when it looks like your friend is able to do so much more than you while she's on benefits. However, you never know the full story of anyone's life. You might think you do, but you don't.

Honestly, I'd chat to your friend and see if she can help ensure you're claiming all you're entitled to. She clearly knows her stuff and there are plenty of legitimate ways to maximise your claim without fiddling the system, just knowing how it fits together.

Also to add, it sounds like your friend has a good career job which she will be able to up her hours and get back into as the kids get older. You don't make it sound like she's going to kick back and stay on benefits forever. I imagine her career job and a helpful employer are the key to all of this.

MereNoelle · 27/04/2025 22:04

Mrsgreen100 · 27/04/2025 21:44

I’m with you , I have two people I know who haven’t worked for years , they have more disposable income than me
I’ve worked hard my whole life , it seriously pisses me off
living on benefits needs to be changed
it’s ridiculous, the rest of us are paying for them

But this woman does work. 15 hours a week, while also single handedly bringing up 4 kids under 7, whose father fucked off and doesn’t have anything to do with them. I’m sure when the children are older she can increase her hours.

Caterina99 · 27/04/2025 22:06

Scottish child payment is £25 per week per child I think? So she’s getting an additional £400 roughly per month on top of what UC and other benefits that she’s entitled to. That would cover a gousto box and tennis lessons.

The Scottish government is trying to prioritise child poverty. This mother seems to be spending the additional money on improving her children’s quality of life.

ThisIsItNowOrNever · 27/04/2025 22:30

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MereNoelle · 27/04/2025 22:34

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A parasite? She works 15 hours a week while single handedly raising 4 kids under 7, because their dad has fucked off and doesn’t support them. How is she a parasite?

ToKittyornottoKitty · 27/04/2025 22:34

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Report her for what?

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 27/04/2025 22:35

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A single, educated, working mother of 4, very young, children sounds like a parasite who needs reporting because she manages a holiday every year?

At what point should she be reported? Buying a chocolate bar she doesn't need? Maybe a new top for herself? What about a bike for one of the kids?

ThisIsItNowOrNever · 27/04/2025 22:35

MereNoelle · 27/04/2025 22:34

A parasite? She works 15 hours a week while single handedly raising 4 kids under 7, because their dad has fucked off and doesn’t support them. How is she a parasite?

Taxpayer money should not fund people trips to exotic destinations while so many British children are malnourished.

FedupofArsenalgame · 27/04/2025 22:36

Mrsgreen100 · 27/04/2025 21:44

I’m with you , I have two people I know who haven’t worked for years , they have more disposable income than me
I’ve worked hard my whole life , it seriously pisses me off
living on benefits needs to be changed
it’s ridiculous, the rest of us are paying for them

But the person the OP is speaking about is working?