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He no longer wants kids

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Lizzielost · 23/04/2025 08:19

I’m a bit lost here so was hoping for some opinions on my current position please.

I’m 41 and have been with my partner, 39, for 8 years (1 engaged). We are currently renovating our first home together and I love him to bits. He is the only person who has ever completely understood me and he has helped me to grow so much while we’ve been together. I’ve also supported him and helped him to grow into someone who is more secure and aware of his own value. He is a kind person and thinks of me a lot.

From the very start, we both wanted children. We’ve had so many conversations about it that it was never really considered to be an issue, until last year. My partner has been through some difficult times over the last 2-3 years (including the loss of a parent and an increase in narcissistic behaviour from the remaining parent as well as significant work stress) and he has been in a very dark place at times. Now that we are finally in a position where we have some security to try for a child (as my age is already against me somewhat) he has decided that he no longer wants a child.

He didn’t tell me outright for some time. It’s been a topic of conversation for 16 months and he only admitted it at the end of last year. His response has always been either just a quiet grunt, ‘ok’ or no response at all with a look akin to a deer caught in the headlights. In the meantime I have to mix with his friends and all of their children and he doesn’t seem to see how difficult that is for me.

I had a coil which I was struggling with (pain, heavy periods etc) and he suggested getting it removed about 2.5 years ago and trying for a baby then. By the time I’d managed to have it removed 4 months later though, he’d changed his mind and I went on the pill. It doesn’t agree with me (moods, loss of desire etc) and this also seems to have caused some issues between us, even though there is little I can do to change that without coming off the pill.

We talk about it but I usually end up upset and, to try to pacify me, he says that we can try. I know he is only saying that and doesn’t mean it though so I ask him to speak about it the following day, when things have calmed, and he doesn’t. This has happened at least 10 times now and it is hurting.

If he had told me properly about his change of heart then I would not have bought the house with him. Really, I had little idea of how things had changed with him.

Over the last few days things seem to have come to a head. I just can’t cope with him almost playing games now and, after being upset a couple of nights ago and sleeping on the couch, I’ve told him that we can’t continue and that we need to split before I hate him for this. The situation is difficult, with the house renovation, and we’ll probably end up having to keep going with this for a bit until we can sell it and move on.

My head is telling me I’m overreacting and that I can’t leave him as he is everything to me. I just can’t keep being dragged down by this baby thing as it is taking over my
life and I’m beginning to hate him for it. It is, to me, a point of fundamental incompatibility and I feel betrayed. My mind is reeling - do we go for counselling to see if we can deal with this? Is it dead in the water now, even with the love on both sides? I can’t see up for down at the minute and I don’t know whether I’m talking myself round, only to be stuck again. I probably won’t go on to have children anyway if we split. I’m quite shy and finding someone new to trust in that way probably won’t be doable in time for me to try for a child. I just don’t know what to do at the moment. Has anyone got any thoughts on this please?

OP posts:
MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 23/04/2025 12:43

If you really want kids then unfortunately you don’t have the luxury of time at 41 to wait for this fella.

Your only realistic option is to ditch him ASAP and start fertility treatment with donor sperm and do it on your own.

VintedVirginal · 23/04/2025 12:43

MinPinSins · 23/04/2025 12:38

This message is a depressing indictment as to numeracy skills in this country. That's not how percentages work at all.

If the statistic is true, within 10 months 40% percent would be pregnant. Of course as each month goes you get older and your odds get slightly worse, so the reality would probably be a slightly below 40% chance.

Where is your 'missing'10%? Unless you're not counting the months at either end.

And yes, of course the number MAY reduce within 10 months but I can't be arsed to compute all of that. I just didn't bother to mention it as it was obvious.

The point is that being 40/41 is not the terrible 'infertile' age that so many posters here say.

A discrepancy of a few % is neither here nor there.

The other thing no one has mentioned is that fertility is the SUM of male and female.

Men can have low sperm count and men's health and sperm quality is very important.

People always assume it's the women's eggs, but men are increasingly unhealthy , overweight, drinking too much, and their sperm quality is a factor.

LudvillasCave · 23/04/2025 12:43

MrsSunshine2b · 23/04/2025 12:37

I do think you have a point. I knew I wanted children and planned my life accordingly. By mid-20s I stopped casual dating and started looking for a long term partner who wanted the same things as me. I did have a few partners who either didn't want children or weren't sure and ended it there. Once I met my husband, we quite quickly got married and then immediately started trying for a baby. We had some fertility issues and started to plan around them, but we got lucky and my daughter was born when I was 30. My friends with children had similar journeys- it's something you have to commit to, work towards and structure your life around, especially by the time you are approaching 30.

I do think drifting along for 8 years through most of your 30s with a man who isn't sure what he wants indicates perhaps OP doesn't really want children THAT much.

Going by this thread, lots of people seem to think conception is actually plain sailing right up until your mid-40s. I think people are vaguely aware that people do still have kids in their 40s and forget that there will have been a lot of people who tried and were unsuccessful, who might not shout about it.

FloatingSquirrel · 23/04/2025 12:45

It sounds like he was stringing you along waiting for it to be too late for you to have them before telling you.
I wouldn't be able to forgive that personally.
If you find a better partner in the future adoption or fostering may still be an option if you want children in your life.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 23/04/2025 12:45

First of all: Get off the pill if it does not agree with you. Do it for yourself / your own well-being. Not necessarily because of a child.

You are 41. Your chance of a successful, first time pregnancy therefore unfortunately aren't great. You therefore would probably really need to start trying ASAP if you truly want to become a mother.

If you were to start all over again with a new DP, your chances would be even lower. Unless sperm donation is something you would consider to be ethical (and is legal in your specific situation, wherever you live).

I would suggest that you have an honest conversation with your DP and decide (for yourself) whether you still want to be with him (based on his behaviour).

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 12:48

In the old days (broadly speaking) men could be reasonably confident that if they became fathers it wouldn't impact their lives too much.

They could benefit from the upsides of being a parent ( increased status in the eyes of other men, being seen as reliable dependable family men etc) and the woman would bear the costs, having to do the unpaid labor, taking a hit to her future earning capacity etc.
Now that women have access to better paying jobs it's harder for men to outsource all of the downside to women. Increasingly it is the case that for men being a parent means taking a bigger hit, this is part of the reason that men are more and more reluctant to be parents.

FloatingSquirrel · 23/04/2025 12:49

VintedVirginal · 23/04/2025 12:43

Where is your 'missing'10%? Unless you're not counting the months at either end.

And yes, of course the number MAY reduce within 10 months but I can't be arsed to compute all of that. I just didn't bother to mention it as it was obvious.

The point is that being 40/41 is not the terrible 'infertile' age that so many posters here say.

A discrepancy of a few % is neither here nor there.

The other thing no one has mentioned is that fertility is the SUM of male and female.

Men can have low sperm count and men's health and sperm quality is very important.

People always assume it's the women's eggs, but men are increasingly unhealthy , overweight, drinking too much, and their sperm quality is a factor.

Also the 40% miscarriage rate at 40 doesn't seem to be being factored in.

TimeToMixItUp3 · 23/04/2025 12:51

Maray1967 · 23/04/2025 08:23

He has seriously dicked around here, hasn’t he? My response would be clear: I would be coming off contraception and telling him that I want a child. If he doesn’t want one he needs to leave.

What he is doing is the very antithesis of kind.

Having got divorced after 20 years for doing exactly this, please don't. It's rubbish for everyone. He had an affair, left me for her and now she co-parents my son. You can't make someone have a child, I did and heavily paid the price. Our son also pays the price. It's just sh*t.

mintandpistachio · 23/04/2025 12:52

Redfloralduvet · 23/04/2025 12:21

You have a third option. You were using donor sperm anyway. You could continue fertility treatment without him.

It's not as easy as "go it alone with donor sperm" (as so many people on this thread seem to think it is). I can't afford the cost of the donor and treatments alone. I am also self-employed and so would not get maternity leave; and I live in a different country to my entire family (long haul) and so would not have the kind of support network I believe I would need to be a single parent. I could leave and go back to my home country but I've been in the UK for 15 years so that would be starting over completely and would take time.

I also don't want to hijack the OP.

Mrsttcno1 · 23/04/2025 12:52

TimeToMixItUp3 · 23/04/2025 12:51

Having got divorced after 20 years for doing exactly this, please don't. It's rubbish for everyone. He had an affair, left me for her and now she co-parents my son. You can't make someone have a child, I did and heavily paid the price. Our son also pays the price. It's just sh*t.

Literally this. Children are far too big & life changing of a thing to bully, force or trick someone into. If it’s not a resounding YES then it has to be a no.

Meadowfinch · 23/04/2025 12:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 09:38

He has deliberately run your biological clock down and has now finally admitted what he knew all along, that he doesn't want kids, because he thinks it's now too late for you to leave him and have them with someone else.

He's a grade A shit.

Edited

This.

MrsSunshine2b · 23/04/2025 12:54

LudvillasCave · 23/04/2025 12:43

Going by this thread, lots of people seem to think conception is actually plain sailing right up until your mid-40s. I think people are vaguely aware that people do still have kids in their 40s and forget that there will have been a lot of people who tried and were unsuccessful, who might not shout about it.

Yes, I'm surprised by that and wonder if it's a recent thing.

Going back 10 years-ish I had friends in their late 30s who were either actively trying with an undertone of panic, or considered themselves to have "missed the boat" and taken the idea of children off the table. A first pregnancy after 40 wasn't something that was considered a realistic prospect.

I suppose there has been advances in medical science but it's not magic.

My understanding was that if you want children you need to start before 35 which means that by 30 you need to be taking it seriously.

Withoutfearorfavour · 23/04/2025 12:57

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 23/04/2025 12:41

Sorry, bringing my own issues to the party today! Kids really pissed me off today!
Sorry OP... ignore me x

It doesn’t look like the OP is coming back tbf, youve got away with it

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 12:58

I wouldn't use a sperm donor.
I would have a fling with a fit healthy young man whom I found attractive (attractiveness is a good indication that you are genetically compatible with someone) get pregnant, don't tell him, end the relationship- it was only a casual fling so he shouldn't be expecting it to have lasted a long time anyway.

LudvillasCave · 23/04/2025 12:59

Withoutfearorfavour · 23/04/2025 12:57

It doesn’t look like the OP is coming back tbf, youve got away with it

She’s probably just at work, or working her way through 10 pages of posts!

pinkdelight · 23/04/2025 13:02

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 12:58

I wouldn't use a sperm donor.
I would have a fling with a fit healthy young man whom I found attractive (attractiveness is a good indication that you are genetically compatible with someone) get pregnant, don't tell him, end the relationship- it was only a casual fling so he shouldn't be expecting it to have lasted a long time anyway.

And what would you tell the DC? There's a whole system with sperm donors so you can be fully honest with DC and they know where they came from. Your way means lying from the off and these things often come back to bite you (and everyone else involved) down the line. Not saying it's not possible, but out of the two options, it's the messiest. There's been enough threads on here from people finding out much later that their DP is a dad to a kid he never knew existed and it's rarely a happy tale.

ButterCrackers · 23/04/2025 13:03

He gets a vasectomy if he doesn’t want kids. You consider staying together or
You leave him and use a sperm donor. Your body is shouting out have a child.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 23/04/2025 13:04

mintandpistachio · 23/04/2025 12:52

It's not as easy as "go it alone with donor sperm" (as so many people on this thread seem to think it is). I can't afford the cost of the donor and treatments alone. I am also self-employed and so would not get maternity leave; and I live in a different country to my entire family (long haul) and so would not have the kind of support network I believe I would need to be a single parent. I could leave and go back to my home country but I've been in the UK for 15 years so that would be starting over completely and would take time.

I also don't want to hijack the OP.

I am sorry. That sounds insanely difficult. I wish you all the best 💐(don't want to hijack the thread either...)

TallulahBetty · 23/04/2025 13:12

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 23/04/2025 12:03

Kids aren't everything.... plenty of people regret having kids.

FFS, read the room

Withoutfearorfavour · 23/04/2025 13:14

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 12:58

I wouldn't use a sperm donor.
I would have a fling with a fit healthy young man whom I found attractive (attractiveness is a good indication that you are genetically compatible with someone) get pregnant, don't tell him, end the relationship- it was only a casual fling so he shouldn't be expecting it to have lasted a long time anyway.

Whenever there are threads about where men should have to pay Maintainence for children that they don’t want, thousands of women will defend other women and swear blind that there aren’t people like you in the world
And yet here you are.

user1492757084 · 23/04/2025 13:15

Op, you are engaged to be married.

Set the date for three months and go off contraceptives.
Tell fiance that you trusted him to be getting engaged in good faith and that he knew that meant starting a family.

Tell him you are not waiting any longer and if he is not with you, he is against you and should depart the home, pronto.

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 13:16

pinkdelight · 23/04/2025 13:02

And what would you tell the DC? There's a whole system with sperm donors so you can be fully honest with DC and they know where they came from. Your way means lying from the off and these things often come back to bite you (and everyone else involved) down the line. Not saying it's not possible, but out of the two options, it's the messiest. There's been enough threads on here from people finding out much later that their DP is a dad to a kid he never knew existed and it's rarely a happy tale.

Edited

I don't disagree with you but I think (for the health of the child) its better to have a child with someone where there is some genetic compatibility, if you've not even met the sperm donor that's not a good thing.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 13:16

@Lizzielost What would he say if you told him he's never having protected sex with you again?

TallulahBetty · 23/04/2025 13:21

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 12:58

I wouldn't use a sperm donor.
I would have a fling with a fit healthy young man whom I found attractive (attractiveness is a good indication that you are genetically compatible with someone) get pregnant, don't tell him, end the relationship- it was only a casual fling so he shouldn't be expecting it to have lasted a long time anyway.

Are you ACTUALLY ok? I'm genuinely concerned for your sanity

Mrsbloggz · 23/04/2025 13:23

TallulahBetty · 23/04/2025 13:21

Are you ACTUALLY ok? I'm genuinely concerned for your sanity

Oh that's very sweet of you, thank you, I'm touched 😁

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