AIBU to suggest it is time to stop the pretence that people can transition?

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I really feel gender ideology is a cult, that has totally warped some peoples minds. It brings so many problems to society I’m not sure it’s sustainable. It damages the health of young people, shortens their lives and often rips families apart. At what point do we say no, this is not healthy, it’s incredibly antisocial to expect everyone else to pretend you are the opposite sex when they can see you aren’t….for the good of society let’s stop this madness. Gender dysphoria exists yes but I don’t think we’re treating it in the best way. We don’t affirm that an anorexic patient is indeed too fat so why do we affirm people who think they are the opposite sex?

I really think it’s quite disgusting that children are being asked to identify a sexual preference five years before the age of consent. How could anyone have ever thought that was ok?

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Sorry, should have said. They all declared it to each other. Everyone would ask each other, so a peer pressure thing.

Really, so why was this man prohibited from amputating healthy limbs?

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/2000/12/elliott.htm

Why is removing limbs or eyes not ok to remove, but genitals are?

Oh I see. I had visions of the teachers asking it at first registration.

So on a practical level how does that work?

How do you know if someone has gender dysphoria or not? And how do you know if they've had full surgery?

And how can you say to a man that he is a woman when it comes to toilets and can be in single sex spaces, but a man when it comes to refuges?

It just doesn't work in practice so the easy way is what the Supreme Court has determined, that all men remain men, even if they identify as trans women. This was always the intention of the Equality Act and this mess would never have happened if Stonewall had not misrepresented the law and if organisations hadn't have blindly followed Stonewall's misrepresentation of what the law says.

Yes these are 12 and 13 year old girls!

Sure, Rosie, it's completely harmless.

Lexi Rose Crawford was jailed for nine years for raping a young girl. Throughout the trial the court referred to him as "she" and discussed how she used her penis to commit the rape.

Jordan Gray famously stripped naked on Channel Four to play the piano with her penis.

Chloe Thompson was convicted of committing a public nuisance by indecent exposure, exposing her penis to members of the public while performing a sex act upon herself.

Jane Knightingale exposed her penis and testicles when she opened her front door to two police officers.

The courts found Isla Bryson, of pink leggings notoriety, guilty of two rapes, hearing that she entered the victims with her penis.

Samantha Norris has been jailed for two years for possessing 16,000 indecent pictures of children. She'd just been cleared of exposing her penis to two schoolgirls.

It goes on ... There are literally hundreds of incidents involving a "she" and "her penis", and that's just in the UK. Are you really, really happy to divorce pronouns from sex?

Why?

These are 12 and 13 year old girls! Also surely the % should be much smaller anyway as the default position is heterosexual.unless I'm mistaken. 2 heterosexual and then 9 gay or bi - very odd.

They are so young to be thinking about what sexual orientation they are.

Fact 1 - human's can't change sex.
Fact 2 - Single sex spaces are based on sex not gender.
Fact 3 - It is not hatred for women to want to be treated as fully human.
Fact 4 - It is not hatred for women to want single sex spaces away from all men.
Fact 5 - It is not hatred for women to want children to protected from bodily harm in pursuit of something that cannot happen (change sex).

Thanks for posting this

Thanks for the clarification this was peer to peer not teachers asking them to declare..! I think kids are all different - I was in primary school in the 80s. At age 4 I had crushes on tv and pop stars, at age 6/7 on other older kids in school, age 8 had first boyfriend of sorts (school ground stuff). Age 10/11 knew I was bisexual/queer. Had first proper kiss at 11/12. This was not uncommon at my school/ area (richmond/ sw London). My main worry today is the 1000000s of images / videos available to kids online that are sexual. I worry about this the most. I’m not sure kids knowing they are gay or bi or curious is more/ less now - than other decades just that it is more accepted / and hopefully never an issue. Again others may disagree - respect your options.

PP actually meant ages 10 and 11.
So Y6/7.

Have you entered a secondary school lately - although to be fair Furries are gaining ground.

My son’s school has lessons which state “ you can be anything you want to be” including -when my son jokingly asked-a train. Absolute bollocks of time wasting - when the curriculum is under so much time pressure -luckily my son recognises this as twaddle , but some kids are vulnerable to this stuff.

That actually wouldn't have surprised me, the way things are going nowadays....

Makes me think of that episode of Outnumbered where the kids' grandmother says a woman can be any shape she wants to be and Karen says, "What about....a hexagon?"

We all start from a desire to be kind, I think. Particularly as those who have ‘changed sex’ are apparently the most vulnerable people ever and need our support due to how hard their lives are.

Then we start to notice things… that children are being encouraged to damage their own bodies in the pursuit of transing; that these vulnerable people are dictating policies and getting people disciplined and suspended or arrested over very little; that they are winning awards reserved for under represented women; that the vulnerability of everyone else has been downgraded and the safe places allocated them are no longer available; that a surprising number of these very vulnerable people are also abusive criminals victimising women and children.

Then we start questioning what is kind about allowing children to damage their body in pursuit of the impossible, or about denying women certain safeguards they are entitled to.

There is little kind about ‘trans’

There is little kind about ‘trans’

It was great for the likes of Lia Thomas, though. Getting swimming awards he'd never have received if he'd competed against his fellow male swimmers.

Not kind towards the women whose awards he snatched, however.

I know two people who have made a M to F transition.

One was a young man, who transitioned towards the end of university. She has huge mental health problems and actually has a sexuality way beyond monogamous. She has lovely family support but it is painful to read her SM posts.

Another transitioned as a mature adult with a wife and two children. The elder child was around 10 at the start of the transition. She (the trans woman) was a top level corporate executive and spent £1MM on the transition. The wife and children were completely screwed up by it all. Funnily enough, she still came across as male in social interactions.

That's so sad.

Weird. Wrong. It's got to stop. It's madness that anyone bows and scraps to this. No woman has a penis. You cannot rape with a female penis. Stop the world I want to escape this madness.

say you’re trans and suddenly you are surrounded by friends and supporters who cheer you on

Not really what happened to Brianna Ghey, is it?

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That’s a completely separate issue. There is nothing in my post referencing people who can’t or don’t want to reproduce or about the definition of women/men. I’m referencing from a simple biological fact about our and every other species, that there are 2 sexes in the main, and feelings/wants/cants don’t come into that.

Sadly, that young person spent hours online away from people. Online is fantasy where you can pretend to be anything you want. A very vulnerable young person who wasn't killed due to trans. The murderers selected other young people as potential victims who weren't trans identifying.

Agree. The judge said it looked like a part motive on behalf of one of them, but not the full motive. Utilising a child's death to make your point is disgusting.