AIBU to suggest it is time to stop the pretence that people can transition?

[happydappy2]

I really feel gender ideology is a cult, that has totally warped some peoples minds. It brings so many problems to society I’m not sure it’s sustainable. It damages the health of young people, shortens their lives and often rips families apart. At what point do we say no, this is not healthy, it’s incredibly antisocial to expect everyone else to pretend you are the opposite sex when they can see you aren’t….for the good of society let’s stop this madness. Gender dysphoria exists yes but I don’t think we’re treating it in the best way. We don’t affirm that an anorexic patient is indeed too fat so why do we affirm people who think they are the opposite sex?

My eyes can’t roll back far enough. Please pop off to the “feminist” boards and give the rest of us peace.

Gosh. Never heard that one before. Thanks for the enlightenment. Please see a doctor for the eyes rolling as that could be a really very serious medical issue.

Have you seen a doctor for that?

We usually keep a few bowls around for the eyes that fall out they are rolling so hard. Probably in the cupboard where we keep the grips.

I’ve been reading lately about the hijacking of this debate by anti-choice groups who use it to create alliances with some feminists. There’s certainly some very uncomfortable bedfellows forced together by the manipulated amplification of this issue.

Some people have walked right into the trap.

I've said this before but I believe the decision, decades ago, to start treating people with dysphoria surgically was desperately wrong and misguided. We should be looking back on that with horror now - surgically mutilating healthy bodies and destroying vital sexual and urological function because someone is suffering mentally - but instead it's somehow become normalised, widespread, and hugely softened with the euphemistic term "gender affirmation surgery", which completely belies the reality of lifelong complications.

No one has ‘hijacked’ this debate. Women are discussing the reinstatement of our rights.

So what is your point? Because some people whose views you don’t like also state basic facts like people can’t change sex and men should stay out of women’s spaces, that you want women to stop talking about this?

Seriously?

Totally agree OP.👍

What do you think this 'trap' is?

Yes, and all the kids - young enough to believe in the tooth fairy, that have been told by trusted adults that yes, they really are the opposite sex if they like the appropriate toys/clothes etc.

You know how kids believe what adults tell them. How many funny things do people get told as kids that persist for years until someone enlightens them as an adult? Things like the ice cream van chimes go when they’ve sold out?

If an adult tells a kids they can choose their ‘gender’ (meaning sex) that child will believe them. If an adult agrees with that child if she says ‘I’m a boy’ they will take that as settled information.

When reality hits (probably at puberty) they have a choice - realise that they have been lied to at the fundamental level and not only have to deal with the trials of puberty but also with the enormous realisation they are something they have been told they are not. Or they will progress to drugs and surgery and a lifetime of ill health and worsening mental health.

These kids have been encouraged to make a decision that fundamentally affects the rest of their life. Many adults who made that decision get it wrong and have had even more serious mental health problems as a result.

We know that puberty resolves the vast majority of feelings of incongruence in kids so why were the activists so determined to socially transition kids and cement their ‘identity’ at such an early age?

And for all you deniers - yes - a seriously worrying number of kids have been socially transitioned by their schools - sometimes without knowledge of parents. This is evil.

Perhaps you think that if one group has repugnant views that no one else should ever agree on anything else they say.

What a remarkable thought to think that when facts are involved, people from many different political beliefs can agree on those facts.

I agree I think the same about 'non binary' what a load of sh@t. It just sad we have made so little progress with gender stereotyping that women are now opting out of being women all together. Who gets to say what defines cis gender??? If I was born a woman but I don't like pink does that mean I am not aligned with my birth sex?

I made a similar comment about myself to a woman a few years ago.

We were basically saying the exact same thing about ourselves only she'd interpreted it as meaning she was not a woman and so therefore trans and I'd interpreted it meaning I was a woman who didn't conform to stereotypes. I can't remember the specifics now, and it's not really important.

But, anyway, I was told by a small group of women who identified as a non binary/transman including her that I was welcome to join them as there was 'plenty of room around the trans table'.

Yes. Far too much room if you'd assume a female, middle aged, perimenopausal, heterosexual single mother should (or would want to) have a place at it on the basis that she essentially doesn't like pink.