Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

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They're female. The reasons we don't want males in our spaces don't apply to them.

Plus if you actually read the Supreme Court ruling you'd find they dealt with this issue already.

Nothing stopping them from doing that.

No because the Supreme Court defined biological sex and transwomen are male.

Fair enough to be worried for them but parents do not want someone with a penis showering and undressing with our daughters. We have been terrified and worried for them.

They can do just that in the toilets in line with their sex.
Women will certainly be the better for it.

I was referring to the UK Govt's cabinet at Westminster. It sounds like Maggie Chapman has done the exact opposite of what Bridget Phillipson has had to do.

I note your only concern is only for trans womens safety.Very telling🤔

TW are men, not a subset of women. I’m sorry it makes you sad, it makes me VERY sad when they put convicted rapist TW in prison with real women.

@macaroniandcheeze

Indeed. It’s a total self-own. It’s just made it easier for men to walk into the women’s toilets, presenting as men.

Try reading the judgement and then you won't look a bit of a ninny.

My son was born female. He wants to live his life as male but is stuck in an ever growing waiting list so is stuck in the unhappy place that no one wants him. He currently looks more female than male so has to use female toilets. If you knew, you wouldn’t be happy, and if he went in the male toilets, they won’t be happy.

🤣🤣

Affected, how?
The way women were when all and sundry were claiming access to women’s loos?

I would just like to highlight that whilst TRAs are suddenly very focused on toilets, this is actually much bigger than that. It means women can now request same sex intimate care, and get it, it means female prisoners won't be locked up with men, it will mean that womens sport is exclusively for women. All these things are far more important than where men want to piss.

TM are women so would be welcome in the facilities that match their biological sex. But trans people make up a teeny, tiny percentage of the population don’t they 🤔, so it’s hardly an issue.

Your daughter has every right to use the female facilities.
It’s not an issue for anyone besides herself.

Why wouldn't we be happy? Born female using female toilets is perfectly fine.

Yes, each human should use the facilities which match their sex. Also, what risk are transwomen facing?

Your daughter is female. Her discomfort in her biological sex does not mean that she is in any way really male, however much she might wish that was the case. And the risks she would face in male single sex spaces would not be mitigated by her belief she is male. She is at much as risk from men as any other woman or girl is.
Every women I know is adamant that trans identifying females should use the women’s spaces. Because they are women/girls.

If Labour are changing their position on this, aren’t you happy?

I find the whole thing quite complex. I am very sympathetic to trans people and their struggles. I take absolutely no delight in their distress. Despite that, I am happy that the Supreme Court have clarified that sex can only mean biological sex within the meaning of the EA.

I couldn’t really give two hoots about a trans woman using the ladies while I’m in there, however, if my DH was out with our daughter without me, and he was waiting outside the toilets for her and saw a trans woman walking in he would feel uncomfortable. Not because they are trans, but because they are a biological male, and we know that overwhelmingly where a female is assaulted, the perpetrator is a biological male.

What does make me slightly uncomfortable is that the Supreme Court clarified that a biological woman could also be excluded from a women’s only space where there is reasonable objection to their masculine appearance (I.e they “pass” as a male). They could also find themselves excluded from a male space as they are a biological female. The sooner they provide third spaces the better.

Not a mental illness they say, JFC 🤦‍♀️

It also means that statistics will have to be collected based on biological sex or public bodies and organisations will be in breach of their equality policy, which will be based on the EA. So good news. They can collect whichever other stats they want to, obviously.

Why do you think there are numerous examples of cisgender women being harassed in women's bathrooms by people who think they are men, if you genuinely believe it is always possible to tell what someone's biological sex is?

I don't understand your question.

I know that 'cisgender women' means women.

What does 'people who think they are men' mean?

Funny thing to be excited about. But even without excitement, females using women's facilties is absolutely fine with me. it's just males I want kept out.

Why would it put transwoman at risk? If women are safe with men who are trans in the women's toilets then why would men who are trans be at risk in the men's toilet? Either men are a danger (in which case they shouldn't be in the womens toilets) or they are not.
I do think trans people should be allowed to use the disabled toilet if they feel uncomfortable, but in no way should men be in womens toilets because they don't feel safe around other men.. surely that's just common sense that women won't feel safe around men if they don't even feel safe...

I honestly think this is a real problem….where do trans women use the toilet?! I think the decision as to what is legally a woman was the only decision that could have been made really, as it’s important to keep women safe in regards hospital wards, women’s refuges etc…it is a worry that some men may take advantage of being given access to female spaces or having a trans woman in a female space might feel intimidating for victims of sexual assault or domestic violence, but it must be hard for say a young trans woman who looks very feminine in determining which loo or changing room to use as they may not be safe in a male are. However I don’t know if I would feel comfortable sharing my changing room etc with everyone. I was talking about it this morning and the thing I keep thinking is that most men could physically overpower a woman which makes me feel uneasy . However I wonder where the government will go with things from here in terms of having accessible spaces for trans women.