Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

Is it ok as long as they wear the dress then? If they were “imaginary” when it suited your agenda, they’re “imaginary” now too.

Why do you think there are numerous examples of cisgender women being harassed in women's bathrooms by people who think they are men, if you genuinely believe it is always possible to tell what someone's biological sex is?

Of course they are. But why is your solution to let some of them use the female bathrooms?

Yes we do.

Well good to know they have a friend in you, as Woody says.

Me, I am standing up for the half of humanity who don’t need to identify or present since they know they are women because

A) every cell in their body and every stage in their progression through life says so,

and

B) their collective memory reminds them that they have been fucked over, minimised, betrayed, abused, beaten, raped, robbed, dehumanised, enslaved and exploited by the other half of humanity since evolutionary genetics decided we were a binary species.

Women have the right to women's toilet facilities. My office is shared space and there are women's toilets, men's toilets and this room full of lockable cubicles. I don't use them, don't want to either. I want to use toilets that are for women only.

I'm glad they're there for people who can't bring themselves to use the toilet facilities provided for their sex - male or female - but I don't feel safe in them and that is the crux of it.

Bigotry and hatred isn't something that I've seen here or anywhere, just a determination that women's safe spaces remain for women/transmen only.

Of course they must. Did you never wonder why we have two kinds of spaces in the first place?

A risk from who? Are you admitting there is a risk in being in a toilet with men?

Do you really think men should have a legal right to watch women and little girls undress? or - as has happened many times - they should be allowed to hold their phone under toilet doors?

If the other group of people you want to express concern for, are women and girls, then you're in totally the right place. Or do they not fall in to one of your categories?

Yes.
Yes, we do 🙄

Yes, I want biological men all to use the same toilets. I want men to accept that manhood comes in different guises. And if that proves impossible, I want them to campaign for third spaces.

Who are the transwomen at risk from?

(and nice gendered insult there....)

So men are a threat to trans identifying men but men are not a threat to women.
Drivel

Just woman will do, as clarified by the court, no need for the offensive term 'cis'.

I imagine it will be up to the owners/manager of whatever establishment you're in.

I'm not going to play pretend with you that groups of women regularly think a butch woman is a man, I don't care how many 6 foot butch lesbian friends you claim to have that were hounded out of womens toilets.

I’ll be sure to let my son know that

There aren’t, don’t be daft.

@PlanetJanette please don’t the offensive term ‘cisgender’

Yes. We want it based on biological sex as that can't be changed. Makes life a lot simpler and clearer and gets rid of any need for hysteria.

What’s it got to do with your son?
Tell him to stay in the men’s.

I just read that as 'Starmer already did a reverse before the erection'

"...and cabinet members always have to toe the party line and uphold the independence of the judiciary."

Unless you happen to be Maggie Chapman MSP, the Deputy Convenor of the Scottish Parliament's Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Yes. Yes we do. Males should not be in spaces where my daughter and I are undressing. HTH

What problem does your (or my) son have?

You do realise that that is a huge sweeping generalisation you are making. Most trans gender people, just as most male and most females just want to get on with lives harming no one

There’s no sneering in this post, however you try and gaslight it.

Trans men are women they won’t be under threat from other women, Trans women are men so won’t be under threat from other men.It really is that simple no need for anymore histrionics…As for being sad🙄