Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

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The minority don’t get to overrule the majority.

Friendly fire is no reason to not support all male people being excluded from female single sex spaces or to shame or attempt to intimidate/frighten those female people who want female single sex spaces.

The toileting issue is a red herring. There are accessible loos everywhere.

The toys are out the pram because women haven't been reduced, in law, to an identity. That's the crux.

No, because they want to be women, and they aren’t 🤷🏻‍♀️
They can squawk till they’re blue in the face at the “injustice” of this - won’t change a thing.

Who here is excited about big, bearded trans men using the women’s toilets?

Big? They'll be no bigger than the average woman. Because they're women.

No. Because the interests of women clash with those of transwomen ie men.
We have seen that now.
We all started out being kind and bending over backwards. Didnt work.

See this is what I mean - how can I have a reasonable discussion with you about this issue if you don’t know what one of the most key words to do with this debate even means?! Cis means a woman who was born a woman. Eg. Not a trans woman. And you’re just going to go “well all women are cis cos there’s no such thing as a trans woman” blah blah blah. Denying the existence of an ever growing group of people won’t make them go away you know.

No women are cis - there are women and men and trans women and men

Especially when the law supports the majority…

'Cis means a woman who was born a woman'

Woman means woman.

Transwoman means a man identifying as a woman. No need for any 'cis'.

Denying biology doesn't make it go away either.

And the Communist Party voting Morning Star readers.

And the Labour voting Observer readers.

And the Tory voting Telegraph readers.

What’s your point?

'Denying the existence of an ever growing group of people won’t make them go away you know'

No-one is denying anything. We know some men identify as women, that just does not make them a woman and as such we don't want them in women only spaces.

‘Mumsnet is infamous for being one of the most transphobic places on the internet. People say it ALL the time’

What people? All the people? Or just some people you know that go to another school?

‘like a bunch of rabid dogs foaming at the mouth with rage, ready to literally tear your head off if you do much as say you think a trans person exists!’

Do you seriously expect women to interact with you in good faith when you refer to us in this revolting manner? We weren’t the ones pissing in the streets at the weekend and carrying signs saying women who acknowledge and understand biological facts should be murdered, alongside a picture of a gallows? But yes, both sides eh?

It’s interesting how many posts like this there are of this nature, where you come on here to scold women who refuse to comply, ridiculously claiming that you have some sort of moral high ground, whilst parading your misogyny for all to see.

People who say they’re trans exist, but people who say they have changed sex are mistaken, biological facts and the law state that. It’s not our problem on Mumsnet that you don’t like it.

Ha. Start a new thread entitled “who thinks trans women exists” and i guarantee over 90% will say they don’t!

Oh, this is an easy one to answer.

Because women want single sex spaces for their safety, privacy and dignity.

Whereas trans people don't want their own spaces which respect their safety, privacy and dignity, they want women's spaces. They're not interested in spaces which don't have actual women in. Because a changing room without any women in it is just an empty room. It doesn't validate them in their belief that they are the same as women.

If they were campaigning for their own spaces, they would be campaigning for equality and I would support them in that.

But insisting on being in women's spaces - even in the wake of a Supreme Court judgment telling them it's not appropriate for them to be in there - is not about equality, it is about supremacy.

Women aren't non playable characters in trans people's lives. We don't have to accept their needs being placed above our own in the hierarchy of rights.

Believing that male "women" take priority over female women is just misogyny, like every other form of misogyny.

You cannot be a feminist and believe that trans women are women and belong in women's spaces. The two things are incompatible.

I don't get the whole issue of toilets being SUCH a big deal - all toilets are cubicles, with shared sinks.

On the weekend, a trans woman was in the queue for a bra fitting and no one batted an eye lid.

What's the difference?

They arent. But give way on toilets and you give way on prisons, sports and refuges.

Haven’t you read the bloody judgement? All women are born women, there are no “other kind”.
The word woman doesn’t need any further qualification.

I have many trans friends. Every single one of them has been verbally or physically attacked at one point or another. You really want to be part of that movement?

But the SC has made the term cis meaningless.

you are using ‘cis’ women and trans women as 2 entities that when added together, define ‘woman’

but what the law has been clarified to mean is that trans men are simply a subset of the entire group of biological women

Did you ask everyone in the queue for their personal
thoughts?

Begs the question of how many of these children, especially autistic girls are actually trans.

None of them are actually boys.

Vile what this has done to vulnerable Lesbian girls. But you won't actually care about any of that because you're blinded by an ideology.

By males in male toilets?