Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

I have a receding hairline in a similar pattern to a mans.

Luckily I have 5ft 1 LOL

Hundreds and hundreds of random people phoned this woman’s employer because someone said she’s a man?
What?!

Hmm. Not sure that will satisfy the TRAs. Trans women are biological women.

Same - my DD2 aged about 12 would only wear clothes from the boys department of shops, wore boxer shorts and caps - she’s now 21 and a beautiful, boxer shorts wearing, tattooed lesbian!

If men could act decently we wouldn't even be having this conversation, would we?!!

Pretty certain Dadsnet is not awash with convos about how to make transpeople feel safe.

Well, half the women in my family are around the 6ft mark so I'll probably hear if this starts happening (nothing so far!).

99.9% of trans identifying females are 5’ 4” tops with tiny heads, delicate little hands and feet, child bearing hips and are doing very well if they can grow more whiskers than my Great Aunty Evelyn (God rest her soul) who spiked me with her hairy chin every time I was made to kiss her 🤣

We’ll take our chances with them thanks. And no, men are not going to pretend to be ‘transmen’ to invade women’s spaces. That is an extremely ridiculous argument.

How will this put transwomen at risk ? Even if they were at risk in the gents, which I don’t believe is true, they would be at risk from other men. You really think it’s ok to put women and girls at risk to stop men assaulting other men ?

Absolutely.

Decent trans women already stay out.

It's not too much to ask them to now comply with the law.

So why are we making this women's problem to solve then?

They are tying themselves up in so many nots 😂 how can you be a trans woman without being born a biological man! Erm oh well we are now biological women because feelings and stuff

Knots!

Just be relieved they are not dragging black women into it. Not yet anyway.

Well, they aren’t, just as the grass is not orange.
A gang of idiots continuing to tantrum because they can’t make words mean whatever they say they mean won’t change a thing.

So the courts have sorted it out. As far as I know the SC is not made up of MN posters.

They might look very manly in photos but they are of course typically the size of your average woman. Bearded maybe, 'big' not so much.

Have you tried chamomile tea and a rich tea biscuit? I’ve found it helps when I had a hysterical attack of hyperbole.

They can’t be
They are born male
They are XY………that’s it.

Biological fact

Didn't you read the SC judgement ?!

The word cis is meaningless. If you believe that it means something, tell us what it means so we all know.

Yep. Considering how much the TRA’s appear to hate women (the ones with vaginas) yet still want them to go into their spaces shows how much it’s not about safety but about validation and not liking when women say no/stand up to men. If trans women safety was so important they’d be campaigning for their own spaces alongside the women who also deny material reality.

I reckon these are the arguments of a side that's lost - who's been comprehensively told by the highest court in the land that transwomen are not women and that biological sex - facts, biology, science are what matters in the law.

The levels of emotional incontinence, aggression, lashing out are a sight to behold. But it's inevitable as considering the rights of others has been completely absent from queer theory / trans ideology.

Now what really matters is doing something to support the vulnerable young who've been led down this path and are wrecking their bodies and minds in pursuit of an unachievable sex change. No matter how badly they may be behaving in response to this, they are victims of this ideology and as the dust settles as responsible adults we need to be thinking how to support them and surround them with responsible adults, loving families and communities who can help them heal. No apologies for sounding "soft". They've been in the grip of the cynical users for too long.

Yes, I can confirm that that is absolutely what I do want.

And what trans people want is not more important than what I want. Is it?

I'm as far from a TRA as you can get and don't want transwomen in women's toilets, locker rooms, sports, changing rooms, or any group or space that is supposed to be for women only. However, I do have a female friend who is over 6 feet tall and somewhat androgynous in body shape. She doesn't wear make-up, but she has long hair, and her clothing and jewellery all clearly point to "woman". She hasn't been challenged in a toilet or other place, so far as I know, but she has had a bitchy colleague openly ask her if she was transwoman and then pretend (?) to be shocked when informed that my friend is in fact female. This obviously hurt my friend, who is sensitive about her appearance.

So it does happen that some few women get things wrong (or are possibly willing to use this as a way to bully women who stand out). I just hope people will be careful and tactful to avoid emotionally harming actual women who have every right to be in women's spaces.