Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

The number of cis men who are violent against women is significantly higher. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

I'm afraid you're wrong there.

The number of trans identifying male inmates in prison for violent and sexual crimes against women is higher than in the general male population.

Crime patterns in general are no different between TW and other men.

If you’d read the judgement, you’d know that such a person (unlikely as they are) could also legitimately be removed from a biological woman’s space.
Jog on.

So again. If everyone can "just tell", WHY have my two friends been abused / doxxed?

Because, again, I am willing to bet my house that you can't just tell the majority of the time.

Why does it matter, if there is doubt the trans man can be provided with alternative provision.

Why should the fact that some women take testosterone to make themselves look more like men mean women shouldn't have single sex spaces?

Make it make sense!

Posted twice somehow!

Also odd to describe sexual assault as a fun fact

Fucking hell!

You call this a 'fun fact'?

Besides which, you seem to lack the understanding of the needs of women in prison. Not just to not be at high risk of rape, or sexual abuse, but also simply because they have a right to privacy away from male people. They have the right also to not be caused distress by being in a situation where they cannot leave when they perceive a male person has come into their space.

But fuck! Fun fact? That is grim.

And you did it to centre male people.

It might be rarer but tall women do exist 💀

Wrong, @Thegreyhound 99.999% of the time trans are obvious. Almost none of them pass. And no, suggesting they continue to violate female only spaces and boundaries makes you look bad and like you are actively seeking to undermine womens rights.

We're you worried or sad about the female prisoners forced to share with male sex offenders and were assaulted by those men?

Of course you can. I truly think you are deluded and / or looking through rose tinted glasses, isn't your own partner a trans man? or have I remembered that wrong?

I work with a trans woman. They come into the women’s and hang around trying to have conversations about tampax and periods. It’s really weird, it’s like they get off on it, and I can’t wait for that to stop.

The News Agents podcast last week talked about this. It annoyed me as Lewis Goodall, who I usually love listening to, likened it to a media hysteria. His suggestions were
a) that most trans identifying people wouldn't go to the lengths of dressing as a women to rape etc, that this isn't fair on most trans people who want to just live and
b) that most people (women inc) were live and let live, and this was all a big media hysteria. He quoted some survey that the general British public weren't too bothered about the toilets thing, just the males in sport thing.

Until Emily Maitlis had to point out his faulty logic: the bad actors use trans-identification to exploit the loophole that is female-only access. Honestly. Goodall needs to take some A-Level lessons in logic and fallacious arguments. I wish journalists would stop hiding behind the yawn some 'media hysteria' defence. It's incredibly important to a lot of mainstream women; to lesbians, to women of faith groups, to survivors of DV etc etc. The reason these views don't seem to be represented in mainstream media (and therefore it must only be a hysterical few!) is the bloody point Lewis - these women were threatened, socially ostracised, name-called and taken to court.

You would never know. They all look like the delicately fragile trans Ms Universe from Thailand or burly MMA fighters (except transmen never make into any male sport, funny that). Of course. Like we all dont know any trans people.

Rather take my chances with big pretend Derek with her big pretend penis than Denise with all the physiological advantages (and real penis) Denise has being male, no matter how ‘feminine’ Denise is.

Agreed. I keep seeing posts from trans men saying ‘so you want me in your bathroom’ as if it’s a gotcha. And yet, they always look like trans men. There’s something ‘off.’ There always is and you can always tell.

Ah, OK.

So, people that aren't allowed to use women's toilets:

Trans women
Trans men
Women 6ft and over who might, under certain lights, look a little masculine

That’s exactly what it’s about. Do you not know about AGP? It’s a sexual fetish.

Even dressed in full armour Gwendoline Christie wasn’t viewed as a man

So many bonkers takes on this thread. All that's needed is for RMW to rock up and tell everyone that the SC judgment said transwomen can still use single sex facilities for women. Good for a laugh I suppose, but it's alarming how many people are determined that men should be allowed to violate biological women's boundaries.

Completely delusional and must have those fairground magic mirrors in his home

No just men hth

I don’t understand this- if no one can tell why would they be abused as surely no one knows ?

It already happens.

A butch-looking lesbian colleague was called out for using the women's toilet in a pub years ago.

The woman who challenged her was mortified and apologetic afterwards and colleague saw the funny side of it, thankfully. But it makes me wonder if her assertion that she was female would be accepted so willingly now.

It's fantasy on your part. Almost zero transwomen pass to females, because it's hardwired into us as a survival instinct to spot a man. Men don't have that same survival instinct. Hence why they don't have the same skill. This is basic Sociological knowledge.