Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

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https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

I have seen zero hate. Fighting for women’s rights is not the same as hating trans people. You have to stop with this rhetoric now

So hang on. What you're saying is that men will be abused by other men, in men's spaces.

Firstly, why are we not tackling this horrendous transphobia amongst men. Why are women being berated instead of the culprits?

Secondly, why would this be women's problem to solve? Why are we always been asked to clean up messes made by men - at detriment to ourselves? 🤯

Can anyone actually post some data that shows that men are attacking transwomen with this kind of regularity?

A bit of luck?!

You mean, men will choose to break the law and ignore women's rights and boundaries, and you say that's a good thing?

Making utterly ridiculous claims like ‘TWAW’? People can’t change sex, and stating that as a fact isn’t name calling or hateful or bigoted.

The only way everyone can be supported is for trans people to use a third space, but they have made it very clear that that isn’t what they want, because what they really want is to force women to comply with their delusion that they are women. I refuse to do that as they are men. This is all about male power and control.

TM are welcome in our spaces as they are women.

I'm not kidding... the other night, one of them tried to gotcha us with seven foot women and four foot men (yes, really), and then told us we "probably haven't" heard of the Samoan fa'afafine. Last seen limping out, wheezing, "I meant to do that..."

Classic misogynistic attack from Guinness there.

Are we crying cos the boys don’t get their own way all the time anymore ….didums

I was talking about 6ft + cis women, not trans women, who are often mistaken and falsely accused of being trans women. Sometimes this is a seemingly harmless assumption, sometimes it is more. I’ve been out and had the “oh is your friend Trans” type comments, while they’ve had “you look lovely and pass very well” given to them as a misplaced but well meaning compliment.

That is correct sexing. Sneering is what many blokes in dresses have been doing to women for years on end. Did you scold any of them?

I agree. The “this person only wants to go quietly about their lives, with dignity and peace” rhetoric really doesn’t really wash with me; when they’re happily removing all those things from women by bulldozing into women’s spaces.
It’s the absolute epitome of self absorption.

Agree

You need one to rape, though....at least under UK law

Why all this sadness and upset feelings for men who say they are women having to use male toilets? And this is not just about toilets. Where was all the sadness when a 6’5 ‘Katie’ Dolatowski sexually assaulted a 10 year old in the women’s toilets? Where was the sadness when convicted rapist ‘Karen’ White sexually assaulted incarcerated women in prison? Where was the sadness when a woman was raped on a hospital ward, but NHS bosses gaslighted her for a year saying ‘it couldn’t have happened as there were no men on the ward’, Where was the sadness and outrage when a woman was denied cancer treatment because she didn’t want a man who said he was a woman to examine her?

All of this happened because as a society, we put women’s needs, safety, dignity and privacy second to men’s feelings. If the ruling had gone the other way last week, women wouldn’t even be distinguishable in law as a separate sex class.

I’m upset that so many of the comments about feeling sorry for men who say they are women actually come from women. We really do need to wake up to the impact female socialisation and ‘be kind’ has had.

Some women may challenge male people with transgender identities who will still unlawfully use the toilets. But I doubt it. Because if they are like me, they will not. And not just because I have been abused and intimidated by male people with transgender identities in the past, but because they are MALE. And generally female people will avoid angering any male person in such a space.

But I reckon that plenty of women will contact security and report it. And discretely let other women know that a man is in the toilet if they meet others coming in.

Gosh.... what did we all do in the past? It is almost like people have forgotten that we once lived in an era when it was considered unacceptable for male people to enter a female single sex space regardless of what philosophical belief they had about themselves.

No I’m not conflating anything. And attacks on trans people are not irrelevant.

If biological women belong in women’s spaces whatcha gonna do when a 6 ft beardy trans man (yes bio women can be 6 ft and hormones can make you grow a beard) - with a 10 inch prosthetic penis (cos when you get to pick em you can go as big as you want) bulging through his cycling shorts rocks up next to you in David Lloyd while your walking about naked? You ain’t gonna know he’s “not a bloke”. Then you’re going to look a right tit complaining to the management if your stance is bio women belong in women’s spaces and bio men belong in men’s spaces 🤣🤣🤣

I hope with time the focus moves on from toilets. i think it's very important too that women like Maya Forstater be able to speak their mind in the workplace.
I work in a very left liberal environment- indeed I am a left liberal long time Labour voter myself- but I cannot say a single word about this issue for fear of being cancelled. I hope now things will change slowly, and people can discuss this in the workplace without being sacked.

Mmm
in your dreams Greyhound
those days are gone 🥳

What happens when someone born a girl becomes a woman and just happens to have large hands and feet, wide jaw, very small boobs and may have facial hair (and has never had a penis) goes into the ladies toilet - are the anti trans brigade going to forcefully throw her out for looking like a trans woman.
Who is going to do the test at the main entrance?

It's complete BS, and wishful thinking on their part.

So many transwomen are 100% passable.

As I said before on here, there is a reason why transwomen are warned to tell men they meet their identity prior to any sexual encounter. If men could "just tell" this wouldn't be a thing.

Link to the stats then

The judgement doesn't say transwomen should use the gents, it clarifies that they should not use the ladies. The vast majority of buildings have unisex accessible loos and many smaller establishments have one or two individual loos. This isn't the cataclysmic event it is being painted.

There’s no such thing as a “cis woman”. Women are female. But you know that.

This scenario seems unlikely. Most of the trans men I know are small, slight, tomboyish and look like Juno Page. ( and yes, deadnaming is no longer a crime either).

Perhaps there are some who are beardy, bepenised and huge, but this scenario seems far more unlikely than men muscling their way into women's spaces.

Dont be stupid.