Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

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https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

Oh yes I remember this unsubstantiated account, you’ve posted it on other threads. We can’t answer questions about how unreasonable it was if we don’t know the details, can we. And no I’m not suggesting you out your friend.

I'd forgotten that I wouldn't get a sensible discussion or opinion about it on here. Because Mumsnetters have a special ability to "just tell". 😂

But because we are the weaker sex physically they know that even if we clock them we can’t do anything about it other than getting a man to sort. They know this hence why so many are pledging to ignore the law

This is an issue BUT the crucial thing this legislation gives us is the ability to question men in female places without being called a hate-filled bigot. We can ask that any men in loos are arrested and not fear that we will be arrested instead.

This is such an emotive issue. I have FB friends who have taken sides that have left me questioning, and mumsnet users who have left me wondering what is really my true opinion. I am having to dig really deep to drown out the noise. There is a wall of women here collectively shouting down any pro-trans comments and it's not helpful in any meaningful discussion.
Truly, I think that a transwoman, post surgery i.e. no penis , presenting as a woman, going about their life quietly, sick of all this as much as the rest of us, I don't have a problem with using a closed cubicle in the women's They would be at greater risk in the mens I feel at this point.
If anyone wants to take issue with that, have at it.

Oh ffs, yet another TRA claiming to have a 6 foot plus female friend who has been accosted in the women's toilets. Do you all have the same bullshit handbook?

Ons stands for the office for national statistics. They have the data. I can’t believe you don’t already know this but women are most likely to be assaulted in their homes by someone they know but they are also assaulted at school, at work, in pubs, bars, out walking their dog, in any place you can think of really.
And you (and others) have immediately proved my point.

We’ve all been womaning incorrectly, thank goodness we now have these new women, the ones with a penis, to correct us and show us the error of our ways, because after all, they are SO much better than us.

I'd forgotten that some posters on here will justify women having to share wards, prisons and rape crisis centers with men and instead obsess over toilets😀

I offered to DM one of the people the details. I am not putting up personal details about someone who has experienced doxing, but I am happy to share, privately, a link to the tweet that started it all, or the video that compounded it.

Women don’t recognise the ‘cis’ term…..it’s offensive

If you mean women, just say it.

Are you saying you have no ability to tell if someone is male or female upon meeting them? Do you have to ask everyone you meet what sex they are?

That's not the point you made originally though.

Where is the data on Transwomen being assaulted?

And what point have I proved? 🤔

Well telling is fairly straightforward. Look at the Australian Tickle v Giggle case, it is all about the fact that transwomen can easily be identified as men. It’s innate in humans but AI can be trained to do it to a high degree of accuracy.

The ‘debate’ won’t end of course but there should never be a debate in the first place. Mind you, you just have to look at this thread to see those tying themselves in knots to say why the ruling is wrong… ‘sigh’

It’s a merry go round of the same idea logical nonsense

Well given that over 95% of men who identify as trans retain their penises I think it's better to keep all men out.

Because we can't know who has had extreme body modification surgery and who hasn't. And breast implants are no proof of a lack of a penis.

That's not to mention the fact that having a penis removed doesn't remove the ability to over power and sexually assault women, should they be so inclined.

My issue is : what about other safe spaces besides toilets?

Like you all could tell the difference between a transwoman and a regular man when you started welcoming them into womens spaces?

It’s got nothing to do with me. I honestly don’t see why it’s supposed to be relevant to my wish for female only spaces.

I don’t believe trans women should be forced to use men’s toilets, that is clearly putting them at risk. As a feminist but also pro-equality for all I feel mixed about the recent law (but ain’t going into that now just to be torn down by every single MNer who clearly all have the exact same opinion on it.) It’s such a toxic, polarised debate, it’s like you’re only allowed to have one extreme opinion at one end of the spectrum or the other. You’re either “transphobic” or you’re an “extremist”. It’s not socially acceptable to be somewhere in the middle about it (then you just get hate from both sides rather than one lol).

I’m also not comfortable with trans women in female changing spaces. Why don’t they just bloody introduce individual toilets and changing rooms going forward (eg. Not tear down existing ones but as and when new ones are built just make em all gender neutral) keep everyone happy.

You're delusional. Almost none (at least transwomen) pass. They are all still so obviously male due to gait, skeleton etc. The fact trans themselves are all upset us proof positive they know they don't pass. So take it up with them.
But no surprise you went for the misogynist slur 'hysteria'.

They all have the same friend, this particular TM is very popular and is available for weddings, bar mitzvah, christenings, door security (what with her being so very tall and so very muscular, oh and beardy, don’t forget beardy) it’s hilarious 😆

Actually, I don't want to share toilets with men because they piss all over the floor, not because I think I am going to be assaulted.

I don’t believe trans women should be forced to use men’s toilets, that is clearly putting them at risk.

Why is it clearly putting them at risk? What do you think men are going to do?

‘greater risk in the mens’

why? Do you think men just beat up people in the loos? Don’t men just go in and pee and leave ? What would make then want to beat someone up in the 10 seconds they are washing their hands?