Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

I guess maybe it sounds like a bit of a 'gotcha' in your own head, if you're about 13?

That was a LIE spread by that vile, and violent India lunatic, @MissDoubleU . It was debunked.

We'll police it like we always did, prior to 10-12 years ago, before this nonsense started. How do you think we did it for decades and decades, until the last 5 minutes?

I know you say that like an insult but I’m struggling to see what is wrong with doing any of those things in a Democratic society.

There are some cracking new usernames coming out of this topic...

WasItReallyEscargot

NotNecesnailery

WeaponisedClarity

(The last was a phrase seen today on twitter.)

Because the 2% Trans population must be kept safe at the expense of 51% of the population. Right ...

How did transwomen prove they were trans and not 'regular' men?

Words mean nothing if people disagree on their definition. They are just a collection of letters.

'Biological' is currently a contested word in some circles. So what does it mean to have a certificate of biological sex if not everyone agrees on the definition of biological?

I’m intrigued they can work that fast in the time it takes to wash their hands!.

How are these things policed in other countries, India and Thailand for instance. None of the transwomen there enter women's spaces.

If anyone thinks there will be any difficulty determining the their biological sex, it will be what's on their original birth certificate.

There may be some extremely rare cases of people with DSDs who may have had this revised, but I presume their are mechanisms to update their birth certificates if that's the case.

I don’t. I think people should start following the law. I’m 60. Nobody ever had a problem knowing which toilet they should be in before TRAs started up - and yes, I know some trans women have always used female toilets. I’m not that interested in toilets though. I’m more interested in other single sex spaces like refuges, hospital wards and sports being kept single sex. Have you got a problem with that?

It means the TRAs are still attempting to use Newspeak to force their lies, but if they didn't know who the women were then they wouldn't want to retain female spaces for men to use. And they wouldn't know which space they want the transwomen using.

If you don't know what a woman is, and you don't know what your biological sex is, campaign for third spaces so you don't have to suffer such debilitating confusion every time you try to work out which changing room is yours. And for the love of God don't try to have kids. I don't even want to know what acts you'd think up while you tried to figure out who's who.

But if not everyone agrees on the definitions of the words used, it will lead to more nonsense debate and confusion (for some).

I am also not that interested in toilets. They have dominated the discussion.
But I am very keen that women should not have to put up with men in refuges, prisons and hospitals, and that the NHS should recognise what a woman is.

He’s had cis lesbians telling him he’s more of a woman than some women they know. Fancy that.

Were they on the Daily Mail and Express websites?

It's very clear they don't want third spaces. Because that would undermine their position that they are women. They're even biological women. Apparently.

Ah yes you are so right this rightwinger has a history of oh

collecting food out side Safeway for the miners
actively campaigning against section 28
working for rape crisis for 10+ years
working to support AIDS and HIV charities
fundraising for Refuge
marching to reclaim the night, against the war in Iraq, against the poll tax
was at Greenham

totally a right wing bigot - honestly what a lame argument

Then they all clapped.

Maybe you should consider that the fault for that lies with people who enabled males to invade our spaces, leading women to naturally be on high alert. Instead of victim-shaming and blaming us for being on high alert.

If it no males entered our facilities, we would be more relaxed and not on high alert.

But that simply never dawned on you, did it? That it's the trans activists fault for creating this fear.

This person with the penis had zero right to be in women’s spaces at all.
Just like you had no right to go into the men’s.
How can you frame this as “one right trumping another”?
There’s no conflict at all from where I’m standing.

You don’t need to have a certificate of biological sex, that was the interpretation which was rejected, that “sex” in the EA did not mean biological sex only, but “certificated sex”.

Point 2 above appears to assume that the distribution of gay and straight people is equal among the entire population, regardless of how they identify.

I find this intriguing, and would be very interested to see your source for this info.

How have TM suddenly become these ‘big burly fellas’?! 😂 I’ve seen several posts mentioning ‘my friend who is a very tall, masculine, weight lifting, muscular, bearded, TM could NEVER be mistaken for a woman, how would you like THAT in your toilets?’

It really isn’t the gotcha they think it is. Their friends are imaginary 😂

"also GC women have been shouted down again and again for apparently being obsessed with toilets- but now it’s the big issue"

Indeed the hypocrisy is rife.