Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

The point is they are women so it's fine if they use women's toilets..

As an aside a full beard doesn't fool anyone.

He is a registered doctor who has declared in court that he is a biological female. So we should all be questioning his judgement on this one.

I can't see a definition of the word 'biological' in that paragraph.

I am firmly GC, but I think this will be the direction of travel. If the SC ruling is based on the word 'biological', the TRAs will seek to redefine it.

I'm not saying that will be successful, but this SC ruling is by no means the end of the argument. It's the end of the beginning.

There always were and always will be frail men, maybe effeminate, maybe just not well developed, maybe dim, or with all sorts of problems that make them vulnerable in male only spaces, they don't get to use the ladies facilities.

She is a female. That's her biological sex that is in ever chromosome and cell in her body. She would be better off getting therapy/psychiatric help/hospitalised than encouraged to damage her body and live in denial.

Well exactly. That's my point. If a registered doctor believes this to be true, where does it end?

You maybe need to take a breath and consider that the world doesn’t revolve around your child, and explain that to them. It’s largely irrelevant how he/she sees themselves when you’re talking about single sex spaces, they don’t get to make the rules.

I’ve got news for you, he won’t look and sound male, he’ll look like a woman pretending to be a man. I’m assuming your sense of entitlement is behaviour you’ve learnt from them, you’d both do well to try respecting other people’s boundaries.

Well, I've found all the Reform voting Daily Mail & Daily Express readers.

What would “certificated sex” mean if “biological” didn’t exclude men?

Why would you wager that? Do you have a hard time accepting that not everyone is shallow enough to be overly-focused on external appearance to the detriment of all else?

Nobody cares if trans men are in women's single sex spaces, because they are biologically female and, as such, don't pose any extra risk to us in the way that all males do, regardless of how they present or identify.

In any case, the SC ruling makes clear that if a trans man 'passes' they should be using the men's facilities.

Whereas up until last week they could have done it presenting as trans women.

When any female is challenged it's normally very apparent as soon as they reply/speak that they are female, and then it's 'ok, no worries'.

Simple. Not a big deal.

You're making excuses to defend wanting to erase womens hard won sex-based spaces. How can you look at the mirror doing that?

What are you saying here? Wanting women to have their own spaces makes you a Reform voter?

Is this for real?

I can’t imagine any woman wants to ask a big burly fella if he is really a trans man?

But you assume a woman would be comfortable with a big burly fella in a skirt?

If companies and insistutions want to ignore the very clear law, and open themselves up to being sued by pretending they don't know what the word 'biological' means, bring it on. Women have spent a lot of money on all these court challenges, might be time for us to make some money back.

About time for Labour but do they actually mean it? There's still so much work to be done.

Clearly the mostly logical way forward is to reiterate that the law has not changed - biological men (which means all trans women) are to use mens's single sex spaces such as toilets, and that anyone doing otherwise before the Supreme Clarification was in actually fact, breaking the law (in part aided by many a council, employer and/organisation who bent over backward to prove they weren't transphobic/supported TW). Yes India Willoughby, am looking at you to name just one TW). The other thing that needs to happen is to make men's toilets third spaces - open to men and men whom identify as women. However that said, I know that for a minority of trasnwomen and the majority of TRAs, this won't be good enough as the former need the validation that they are real women that only accessing a single sex/woman's space brings, and the latter hate women having anything that excludes them.

Really male on male violence needs to be address and that men need to be more tolerant of men who don't confirm to gender norms. We also need to talk about two elephants in the room:

1. 92% of TW retain their penis
2. AGP - and that some TWs are fetishists who get aroused in female spaces.

These two things alone will go a long way to reinforce why most women do not TW in their single sex spaces. It's really not rocket science. Now the days of no debate finally seem to be over, it's time for politicians to talk about the FACTS behind all this, after all, and thank god, it's facts that have won, not feelings.

This morning I watched a breakfast show with a woman and a trans woman discussing both sides. The woman had to lean to the side as the trans woman was taking up so much space. Most Trans women I have come across have the stature of a large man.

I love how Trans women are aggressive when they don't get what they want, and threaten to kill and rape Terfs but when it comes to going in a mans toilet they turn into damsels in distress.

They've borrowed that mirror from Harry Potter... the fantasy mirror of Erised.

I'm fed up reading posts from men on this subject and their opinions have ceased to matter to me.

It is good to see the three random letters CIS no longer have any excuse to be put together with a delusion of meaning.
Also can we stop talking about toilets?

The only people displaying any hysteria are those who were out pissing in the streets at the weekend, and those holding signs suggesting women who don’t subscribe to an ideology that has no basis in in biological, or legal, fact, should be murdered.

Please continue to show us who you really are by using pathetic, little insults, it’s only what we’ve come to expect from people who are so clearly divorced from reality.

I do think a great many TW are deluded as to how well they pass, and besides, isn't that deception anyway?

How do you think someone should prove that they are entitled to use the women's bathroom?

There's also the odd one now saying how they'll be 'stealing our husbands' in the mens toilets 🤣

The SC went to some lengths to say that what they called biological women were women born as female.

It’s just another thinly disguised ‘you’re all Trump supporting, right wing bigots’ trope, I feel sorry that that’s all the have. We have biological fact and the law.