Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

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https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

Squeak squeak burrow burrow. Is that a ferret reversing?

What you are now trying to do is conflate a philosophical argument with a real life one.

Philosophically, all female people SHOULD be able to use the female single sex space.

In reality, those female people have deliberately taken the decision to take testosterone which gives them male body cues that may cause some female people distress. Male people can do very little to disguise their male body cues even after puberty has been blocked.

So there is no symmetry to your argument.

That is why the point about female people who have taken testosterone and gained male body is a fallacious argument. There is no symmetry despite some activists desperately trying to make it symmetrical.

He's confused about anatomy and sex because he is 100% twat.

Please read the thread, it's been explained many times that this is not the case.

It's pitiful isn't it. And it doesn't make any sense.

And all for what? To argue that the spaces our foremother feminists won for us shouldn't exist and those feminists did it all for nothing? Because know Male Supremacy is more important than the rights of females? They out themelves.

It's pathetic grown men don't know the basic difference between men and women.

I’d wager that you’ll sure as hell have a problem when a fully transitioned trans man is forced to use “your” space, just because he was born bio female…
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We wouldn't. They are women, not threatening and easy to spot.

No. It says biological women. What part of those two words are you struggling so badly with? Everything else from the 'whatabout this' posters on this thread is because you're desperate to find something to clutch onto.

These are women's facilities and they are for biological women only. If you are not a woman or a transman then keep out.

Why is it that there is absolutely no drama with transmen? It's only ever transwomen that have tried (and failed) to encroach on women's rights. They have lost nothing with this change in law, the rights belong and have always belonged, to women - nothing to do with me. Transwomen are men. Let men fight for their rights.

You have my sympathy. Been there can done that on all counts.

Yes, I used to have to use public toilets to change between work and going out and often a group of us would be doing this. Or use the work toilets. Or change their children's clothes if needed.

I do wonder sometimes at the dismissal of this. But then I think that maybe so many people have cars, have support at home that they are not the only person who is doing the shopping and all the child care out and about, or even trying to work while still breastfeeding and trying to cope with events that are out of our control timing wise.

MORE people will be willing to confront them!

You're seriously giving a trans-woman doctor as your example of "medical professionals" who would disagree with me? You could have included Dr Beth Upton in the TRAs group. Now give me the names of other non-trans medical professionalS who would disagree with me.

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightests seeing as they are women.

All the ruling itself has done is reaffirm what thousands upon thousands of years of scientific understanding has always known. I still don't see how you can disagree with the ruling itself when it is a statement of biological fact. I can't suddenly change my skin colour and immediately know what it is to be a person of colour, and claim that as a right. You can of course have concerns about what this means in practice for the trans community, be empathetic and, should you wish, campaign with them to ensure the implementation of inclusive spaces that don't threaten women's rights to single sex spaces. But the ruling is a lawful ruling, based on science, not a gut 'feeling'. Where would we be if law was based only on instinct, rather than fact?

If someone looks and acts like a woman no one is going to ask to see their genitals to go into a toilet. On the other hand if someone who looks something like a woman insists on showing off their male equipment they can be thrown out. And the same for biological women using men's toilets. There have always been a few trans people around and it was never (hardly ever) a problem, now people want to flaunt it.

Same. 5ft 11in and have never had it suggested that I look masculine even, never mind mistaken for a man. The only women I have known taller than me (maybe half a dozen over several decades) were all unmistakably women.

Don't be silly. There's no such thing as a 'fully transitioned' transman, no human can ever change sex. A transman is a woman and will retain multiple female characteristics,

You need to get out more.

I think the only people who are 'excited' about this misinformed idea, are TRAs who want to punish women for having rights, and they think this is how it will be done. Utter dipshits.

I was once like you, and felt for transpeople. This all changed very quickly when I was in America and after using the toilet, went to wash my hands, a man walked in, I never said anything, this man was dressed as a man. He came up to me and in my face screamed I have the right to be in here I am a woman! I said I haven't said anything, he screamed again I am a woman. I dried my hands and left, this really shook me to the core, I never told my family as my sons would have taken in further as they are protective and I feared what might happen. I class myself as a strong person but this frightened me, since then I defend womans only spaces, at the minute I have 10 trans gender woman calling me down on FB, telling me am stupid and don't know what I'm talking about. Go to a womans meeting and watch how many transpeople will call you a terf and will push and spit at you whilst holding a death to all terfs

This 👆and thank you @User46576 for saying it.

At risk of what? Being offended? Yeah.... I don't care. I do care about the genuine physical safety concerns of actual women.

If my aunty had bollocks she’d be my uncle

The fact that you have just posted popcorn and the eyes shows that perhaps you think you have posted a clever gotcha, or you have just enjoyed weaponising some female people's decisions to scare other female people. For what, fun? Retribution for wanting female single sex spaces?

Why do you feel it is entertaining that some female people's decisions to take testosterone may cause other female distress?

I do think that if we could re-frame the language, a lot of confusion would simply disappear.

We shouldn't refer to men as transwomen. Men are men.

If we stopped saying Transwoman and replaced it with the factual term- man-then the stupidity of the whole situation would be exposed.

Calling them transgender muddies the waters and confuses some.

There are men and there are women. That's it.

I never say transgender. I always say man. Much clearer and we should all do it.

The TRAs don’t understand this thinking at all, and that’s because they think the uproar at transwomen using women’s single sex spaces is because we don’t like trans people, when infact it’s because we (rightly) feel unsafe around men. So much cognitive dissonance!