Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

In-laws always seat me away from my child at dining table

318 replies

charcharsydney · 21/04/2025 17:55

I have a two-year-old son. When we visit my In-laws (who are French and live in France), every lunch and dinner (which are full hour long meals) I am seated away from him. Like, other side of the table and down from him (not opposite). My husband will be placed next to him, as well as one of the In-laws, usually my FIL or a SIL.

It's not a "sit where ever you want" situation. There are napkin holders with our names on them, and the in-laws will specifically pick where people sit so there is definitely some kind of thought process behind the seating arrangements. NFI what that is though.

It's always slightly annoyed me and when I raised it with my husband he brushed it off and told me I can just move places if I want. I have never done so as, with the language and cultural barriers, it seemed easier to let it slide.

However, my son turned two yesterday and there was a family lunch. There were 11 of us and AGAIN I was sat opposite side, towards the other end of the table. I didn't realise how upset it made me until the cake came out and everyone was taking photos and videos and singing to him and and I wasn't there next to him. I got very teary and brushed it off as being emotional for his birthday, but I'm so upset about this and don't know if I'm just being super sensitive.

I don't have any issues with my in laws but it just feels like a micro aggression.

So, AIBU??

OP posts:
ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:01

Christmasmorale · 21/04/2025 19:49

My in laws used to do this - very strange. After the first time, I would always sit in my husbands seat. They stopped doing it pretty soon.

It’s a weird way of putting the mum of the child in her place- almost relegating her to the role of baby incubator so they can enjoy baby with their precious son without a non blood relative getting in the way.

Exactly. And massively sexist.

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:03

@RareGoalsVerge

ne soyez pas un imbécile condescendant "google translate"

Calmdownpeople · 21/04/2025 20:05

Sleepygrumpyandnothappy · 21/04/2025 18:07

Is it possible they’re doing it to give you a break?

This was totally my thought. Why is there always such a negative feeling and if something bothers you maybe don’t get upset, speak to your husband and cry about it and just do something.

Maybe they think they are being nice and giving you a break. Maybe they don’t see your son very often and are all trying to be as close to him as possible.

Do you speak the language? Maybe they want some time in French with their grandson.

Massive overreaction in my book sorry.

BanditsWife · 21/04/2025 20:06

My in laws do this. Just swap with your DH or ask to move. If they’re like my in laws they won’t like it but will know they can’t refuse as your the mother and their guest.

mummyto9angels · 21/04/2025 20:06

I personally think this might be to give you a break and so you can relax. I dont think they would want to make you feel like you do.

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:08

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:00

Why not? Catholicism must be the most sexist major religion in the world, with its insistence on women bearing children whether they want to or not, refusing to ordain women, and teaching that here is no divorce and that second marriages are adultery. So that's just lovely for women who are escaping abusive spouses. The church's teachings can affect its believers deeply, even if lapsed or left the church altogether. Many Catholics are very sexist, as you would be if you believed all that. It deserves to be called out, as does the sexist culture it creates.

Edited

Is your name Nigel or may be Tommy!!!

Edited for spelling

SALaw · 21/04/2025 20:10

Why can’t your husband just breezily say oh wife and I are swapping?

StScholastica · 21/04/2025 20:14

Aww mate, you sound very kind and thoughtful but you need to stand up for yourself. You don't have to do anything that you don't want to and that includes being sat aside from your DS.
You hold the cards, remember that.
Next time just swap with your DH and if MIL doesn't like that then it'll be a long time before you visit again.

arcticpandas · 21/04/2025 20:15

Maybe they want to have a relationship with your child ? It would be hard for them to have a conversation with him in French when he's next to you speaking English 🤷‍♀️. For his birthday you could just have gone up standing next to him. I don't think they are rude but if you're not happy you'll need to tell them or have your DH tell them. Personally I think you are unreasonable wanting to spend every second with your son. If he's happy you ought to be happy. Let him be and talk to the people next to you to practice your French.

PeppermintPatty10 · 21/04/2025 20:18

From the title I thought the child was six or seven years old, not just turned two! I'd definitely be swapping to sit right next to him!

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:19

arcticpandas · 21/04/2025 20:15

Maybe they want to have a relationship with your child ? It would be hard for them to have a conversation with him in French when he's next to you speaking English 🤷‍♀️. For his birthday you could just have gone up standing next to him. I don't think they are rude but if you're not happy you'll need to tell them or have your DH tell them. Personally I think you are unreasonable wanting to spend every second with your son. If he's happy you ought to be happy. Let him be and talk to the people next to you to practice your French.

is the 2 year old bilingual then @arcticpandas?

Delatron · 21/04/2025 20:19

Wrong thread!

localnotail · 21/04/2025 20:21

I find it really weird that you never questioned it or asked to sit next to your son. Your in-laws are French so maybe its a cultural thing for them but surely if you are uncomfortable you would speak up? I just dont get it. Are you in unequal marriage to someone much wealthier than you are? Like, are you heavily dependent on his family/ scared of them?

Calliopespa · 21/04/2025 20:22

Guys I think @NicolaCasanova has kind of clarified this issue pretty authoritatively.
No need for more pontification - esp as much of it is just suggesting upsetting scenarios.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:24

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:08

Is your name Nigel or may be Tommy!!!

Edited for spelling

Edited

Do you serious believe that Catholicism is not majorly sexist? Am left-wing TYVM. Did you realise that the late pope upheld not ordaining women? Why would you NOT want to call out this horrific sexism? It's YOU whose name is Nige or Tommy, for thinking that the right-wing nonsense of Catholicism is OK!

arcticpandas · 21/04/2025 20:28

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:19

is the 2 year old bilingual then @arcticpandas?

I take it the dad is French? And children are quick learners. At 2 they hardly speak anyway but I would think he understands basic French with a French dad.

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:29

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:24

Do you serious believe that Catholicism is not majorly sexist? Am left-wing TYVM. Did you realise that the late pope upheld not ordaining women? Why would you NOT want to call out this horrific sexism? It's YOU whose name is Nige or Tommy, for thinking that the right-wing nonsense of Catholicism is OK!

to me, you are completely ignorant @ThisFluentBiscuit.

However, I defend your right to express, what you think is your truth.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:30

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:24

Do you serious believe that Catholicism is not majorly sexist? Am left-wing TYVM. Did you realise that the late pope upheld not ordaining women? Why would you NOT want to call out this horrific sexism? It's YOU whose name is Nige or Tommy, for thinking that the right-wing nonsense of Catholicism is OK!

Come on, you are being ridiculous.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:30

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 20:29

to me, you are completely ignorant @ThisFluentBiscuit.

However, I defend your right to express, what you think is your truth.

Right back atcha. For both things.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:32

@beetr00 Interesting that you just resort to insulting me instead of telling me why you think Catholicism isn't sexist tho.

The church doesn't allow abortion. Are you a Trump supporter?

Stravaig · 21/04/2025 20:33

I think this is not the thread to debate Catholism, and I think generalised bashing of Catholism is in very poor taste on this day when the Catholic world is reeling in grief and facing a time of great flux.

cannaecookrisotto · 21/04/2025 20:34

ragandbonewoman · 21/04/2025 18:03

Yanbu but bloody hell I’d have loved this. It was always me sat next to DS, cutting his food up, wiping his snotty nose, entertaining him
and getting up to get him another drink while DH got to eat his food while it was still hot and enjoyed the time socialising with the other adults. Be careful what you wish for!

This was my first thought 😂.

I’d be thrilled at being able to eat in peace and let someone else be the cutter upper/entertainer of child. My parents do this when we go out for family meals and fuss DDs, whilst I sit with an alcoholic beverage and preferably a steak.

However, if you want to sit next to your DS then YANBU to mention it and ask to be seated next to him.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:30

Come on, you are being ridiculous.

Excuse me, but how so? The Catholic church does not allow abortion. It is ANTI-choice. How can you think that's OK?

I suppose it makes sense if you're anti-choice yourself, tho.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:35

NicolaCasanova · 21/04/2025 19:01

I am French. Annoying that your DH hasn’t bothered to explain this to you. This is very typical seating in a French family as it recognises your humanity i.e. your right to eat and talk to people as you, not as Mum of x, and also recognises your son’s humanity as he is not tied by the apron strings and as part of his education in manners can practise how to behave at the table by himself. Traditionally a nurse would feed him but nowadays it’s just assumed that any compétent adult can look after a child in their family/close friend circle for the duration of a meal and it that this certainly wouldn’t fall to the child’s mother by default. It is really normal that you are not sat beside him in the seating plan. However if you want to, it’s also fine to ask your MIL to change the plan.

Thank you for this perspective.

My French FIL always takes great care over the table plan because he wants people sitting in the arrangement he thinks will be most conducive to interesting conversation.

He usually puts my small children near himself and always involves them in the conversation. I can see them developing into real tiny French people and it's wonderful.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:35

ThisFluentBiscuit · 21/04/2025 20:34

Excuse me, but how so? The Catholic church does not allow abortion. It is ANTI-choice. How can you think that's OK?

I suppose it makes sense if you're anti-choice yourself, tho.

But WTF does any of that have to do with the OP's parents in law's seating plan?