Of course women will be safer

[HardyKoala]

Following the Supreme Court ruling. I’m flummoxed by the amount of women I considered intelligent friends, posting rubbish about how women are actually no safer and this ruling is just anti-trans. I just don’t understand how intelligent women are coming to this conclusion.

The main argument seems to be that men will be men and will still rape and assault.

Of course they will.

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this. And this did happen, a few examples below.

They will no longer be able to enter women’s changing rooms and film teenage girls naked. They will no longer be able to enter the women’s toilets in Morrisons unchallenged and sexually assault a 10yr old girl. They will no longer be able to be housed in women’s prisons raping vulnerable women in the shower. This will all stop.

Yes, I do understand the negative impact on a few trans women and I feel for them, but why should ALL women put themselves and their daughters at risk for this tiny minority? I just don’t get it. If you’re campaigning for anything, campaign for 3rd spaces surely? But don’t campaign to allow any man the right to enter women’s spaces.

I have no issue with trans people in any way (I know a few) but I just can’t understand this argument that all women should be more at risk. Of course most trans women aren’t a threat. But men pretending to be women for access to women ARE a threat. And this ruling makes it harder for them to rape and assault us.

The amount of friends I’m seeing posting this rubbish has thrown me. I feel like I’m in an a weird alternate reality.

A man abused me. It was my father when I was a very young child. Due to this I have CPTSD, which is triggered in situations where I feel out of control of my body, medical situations are a a good example of this. I need female medical staff for anything gynea related, and yet for this, I have been called a bigot, and told to reframe my trauma. Apparently I have no right to consent to who enters MY body, because a man's gender feelings come before my trauma. Don't even try to tell me it's not men pushing to override a womans consent in situations like this.

It's not all about fucking toilets.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1AFMf6dTkB/

I thought this was very powerful. Now a man can walk into a ladies space and claim he was biologically female. We haven't made it safer for anyone!

This kind of stuff is nonsense.

Thankfully the SC leading to the interim guidance is much better and has actual impact.

How is it nonsense? It's true

I can’t see it but i can guess what it says

men already did walk in and say they were female (transwoman) and we couldn’t do anything about it

now (and i am guessing this is your ‘point’) a man can walk in and say he is female (transman) and we can report him to staff or security

Transwomen are men.

You don’t get it - it’s about looking enough like a woman. It’s the OPPOSITE

We don’t give a fuck how much men look like women. They are men ergo they don’t belong in women’s spaces.

I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand

I can’t see this post? It says content isn’t available.

Nevertheless, men can’t just walk into women’s spaces - or they can but it’s not actually not their right to. They always did anyway it now we can do something about it without being called bigots

You’ve hugely missed the point. It’s not about men/trans women now. It’s about all women now being at risk of confrontation or worse, because they don’t conform to societal norms of being female presenting (eg short hair, androgynous appearance, masculine build). Women are less safe now. And it’s another way of controlling women’s bodies and keeping them in place.

And yet somehow for a gazillion years people have been able to tell the difference between men and women

Aside from the fact anyone with half decent eyesight can tell the difference between men and women, do you really think women are confronting men, or who they believe to be men? We fought for what was ALWAYS ours - female only spaces - because we haven’t been able to confront them ourselves.

HOW are women less are? Because the few who look like men may or may not be confronted in toilets?

did you miss the part where women have been getting raped by men who’ve been allowed on their spaces?

This is just an excuse not to provide single sex facilities to women.

Thanks for starting this thread, OP. People are trying very hard to brush women’s rights and children’s safety back under the carpet, where anything that inconveniences men is meant to be kept.

The post you quote is a good example of their feeble and dishonest arguments. It’s disgusting that people still try to minimise ‘minor’ sexual harassment, such as intruding in women’s spaces.

Many rapists and killers started their criminal careers with indecent exposure or spying on women undressing. Sarah Everard is one of many women who paid with their lives for men having been allowed to get away with lesser offences.

Its honestly ridiculous