Of course women will be safer

[HardyKoala]

Following the Supreme Court ruling. I’m flummoxed by the amount of women I considered intelligent friends, posting rubbish about how women are actually no safer and this ruling is just anti-trans. I just don’t understand how intelligent women are coming to this conclusion.

The main argument seems to be that men will be men and will still rape and assault.

Of course they will.

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this. And this did happen, a few examples below.

They will no longer be able to enter women’s changing rooms and film teenage girls naked. They will no longer be able to enter the women’s toilets in Morrisons unchallenged and sexually assault a 10yr old girl. They will no longer be able to be housed in women’s prisons raping vulnerable women in the shower. This will all stop.

Yes, I do understand the negative impact on a few trans women and I feel for them, but why should ALL women put themselves and their daughters at risk for this tiny minority? I just don’t get it. If you’re campaigning for anything, campaign for 3rd spaces surely? But don’t campaign to allow any man the right to enter women’s spaces.

I have no issue with trans people in any way (I know a few) but I just can’t understand this argument that all women should be more at risk. Of course most trans women aren’t a threat. But men pretending to be women for access to women ARE a threat. And this ruling makes it harder for them to rape and assault us.

The amount of friends I’m seeing posting this rubbish has thrown me. I feel like I’m in an a weird alternate reality.

ps I knew you’d jump on me making the above statements without evidence. Obviously intentionally done. Everyone else is allowed to do it though if it’s an argument you support!

You can't make evidence based decisions and treat everyone fairly if you don't acknowledge that a subgroup of men are a subgroup of men. They're not a different category of people with a different risk profile to other men, why would they be?

Safer from whom? Men? Women are no safer from male violence. (And neither are trans women) Because none of this actually addresses male violence. Keep the women in-fighting, so the men can carry on as they were.

Sigh.

Transwomen are men. They're not women.

Transwomen offend at at least the same rate as other men.

There are no recorded instances of any transwoman ever being harmed by a man in men's single sex spaces.

It's like the ploppers are not even trying at this point.

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Do you feel up to sharing why you believe TW are women and not men? I’ve asked so many people and have only ever been ignored which is a shame because it’s the cornerstone of the trans ideology so you’d think it would be a straightforward answer.

I haven’t seen anything that indicates you’ve addressed the evidence given, other than saying you can’t get past a paywall. So now you HAVE been given evidence that TW commit violent crimes at a higher rate than men who don’t identify as women, do you understand why OP is saying women are now safer?

Your opinion is TW are women. Fine - like I say I’m not that anal about evidence that I want a peer reviewed academic paper for every sentence made…but you also said that transwomen are at greater risk of harm than women. I would expect evidence for that, that goes way beyond being an opinion

Yes, men. Which is what TW are. Because they can’t infiltrate our spaces anymore. It’s really that simple. Nobody is expecting an end to VAWG. Nobody. But we should always mitigate risk. Aka become safer.

We’re not ‘in-fighting’.

Women are asking for single sex spaces. Women are together on this, for the most part. The Supreme Court definition of women that is.

What makes a 'transwoman' a class of woman? Is anyone prepared to answer that?

I think you’ll find that letting any man who chooses into spaces where women are vulnerable definitely increases male violence. There are many incidents of male violence against women mentioned in this very thread. These incidents were often entirely preventable and totally facilitated by ‘trans inclusive’ policies.

There are far more violent criminals who identify as women than ‘trans’ victims.

@JandamiHash I said “Trans women are more likely to be victims of violence and harassment” - my phrasing is off, because I definitely did not mean that they are more likely than women to be victims of violence and harassment (we clearly disagree but we’re not that wildly different in our views). Increasingly likely, if that helps.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/10/06/uk-government-hate-crimes-lgbtq-trans-rishi-sunak/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/10/11/new-lgbtq-hate-crime-figures-in-england-and-wales-deeply-worrying/

Both articles provide links to (accessible) data that show the year on year trends. A 2% drop in the last year isn’t significant enough for me to suggest that trans people are at any decreased risk, giving the significant increase in hate crimes over the last decade or so.

It’s SUCH a simple ask to ask that the law be observed in the way it was always supposed to be. The ruling is not anything new it’s a clarification that shows men should NEVER have been using women’s spaces in the first place. It was NEVER their place. And rather than say “Oh shit sorry my bad” they are throwing epic tantrums and blaming women who only ever stood idly by either silent, bemused or, if they did have the bravery to speak up, ostracised.

An analogy… a man parking where he shouldn’t for 10 years whilst a woman who IS entitled to park there says “You're not supposed to park there, it’s my space”. and him saying “STFU I’ll park where I want” - then one day he gets 10 years of tickets and shouts at the woman “See what you FUCKING did! I’ve now got fines and have to find somewhere else to park thanks to you! Bitch!”. And everyone being concerned about where he’s going to park now and chastising the woman for being happy about getting her parking space back.

Annoyingly this link won’t load for me and it won’t load when I google it either! I will keep trying. But given you concede trans people aren’t at a higher risk of harm than women, is there then really a good reason for them to be in our spaces?

The thing about hate crime stats is that hate crime stats are only collected about hate crimes (which include awful things like looking at people funny) against selected groups of people. See if you can have a guess whether women is one of the groups.

Are you aware that a ‘hate crime’ will be recorded if a person observes stickers they don’t, someone mentions that a man tho identifies as a woman is not actually a woman, ribbons tied to a fence etc.

Some police forces were so keen to dredge up such hate crimes that they advertised on twitter that ‘misgendering’ should be reported as a hate crime.

As a result I think conflating rising ‘hate crime’ figures with actual violence towards trans people is misguided. They remain statistically one of the safest groups in society.

As I say, keep the women in-fighting. The men can carry on as they were. The plan seems to be working nicely by the look of this thread.
All eyes on a tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society while men continue to oppress, abuse and kill women at a shocking rate.
We were never safe. We still aren’t safe. But let’s all yell about whether someone looks enough like a women or not. Police women’s appearances a bit more. That will help 🙄

All eyes on a tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society

What a truly ridiculous description of men

I’m not in-fighting with any women. I’m happy the Supreme Court decided as it did.

If men are apt to be violent or abusive when women say no then it reinforces why we should have single sex spaces.

No the men can't 'carry on as they were' because now they're not permitted in our changing rooms, hospitals and rape crisis services.

You know that.

Ooops I forgot to link to some of this "tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society" who are not at all the "men (who) continue to oppress, abuse and kill women at a shocking rate."

https://terfisaslur.com/

Just thought about this.

we are setting a low bar for hate crimes (looking at someone funny, misgendering, hurting someone’s feelings) - but this does not apply to women. For women there has to be serious harm.

then, we say that there are more incidents for other groups (because reports include a broader spectrum) compared to women. And “we” conveniently forget how much more susceptible women are to actual crime. Then we make transwomen (not biological women) the most vulnerable in society (as they have more hurt feelings and even if women felt bad, it wouldn’t count anyway).

and people are falling for this? Genius.

On it goes.

What other ‘vulnerable’ men shall we invite in to our spaces? How is a man joining a menopause group vulnerable? Or the one (there may be more) that joined a still birth group?

I am more than happy to keep them all out especially the ones who were at Saturdays protests. Did anyone notice Sophie Molly dropped his faux wee girl voice to call women bitches? How girly of him 🙄

this is for the lawmakers to sort out. They allowed a bill to pass that had no coherent definitions and that bill has been used as an excuse to ignore our sex based rights. Take a look at your employers Diversity statements and see if sex is even mentioned. I have seen so nany where sex has been swapped out for gender. Gender is not a PR. The PR is gender reassignment and just means that a person cannot be discriminated at for having a trans identity it doesn’t convey in that person all the rights of the sex they wish to be and in the case of people who claim a non binary identity they do not lose their sex based rights.

A man cannot be treated as a woman for some parts of the EA without giving them access even if inadvertently to others. the whole idea that they can is incoherent.

a man doesn’t have to do anything to claim to be a woman other than to make the claim. I have seen so much whatabouttery this past week to give me motion sickness. What about the TW who has “fully transitioned” is always trotted out? First how would we know? And secondly the vast majority of men who claim a trans identity ( and they don’t actually have to claim to be women even) retain their cock and balls.

This movement is one of the greatest if not the greatest con act in our modern times.

Tell me why this bloke should be allowed in our spaces?

and in case the upload isn’t approved here is a link
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You look forward to that, do you? That sounds rather spiteful, are you of the opinion that women need to be punished for being recognised as their own sex class seperate from males?

It’s not just about them not being permitted, it’s the fact that some people were actively opening the door and welcoming them in to the detriment of the women the services were set up to cater for. We are not the emotional support animal for these men!

And if they are unhappy about it they can reframe their trauma