to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

Really? Nothing at all? No little white lies or envying someone? This is helpful in understanding why Christians believe that we are all sinners. There are none good except for God. Please don't think I'm attacking you though, just picking up on your point. Before coming to know Jesus, I thought I was a good person too 🤗

Yes. God is the Father, Son and Spirit (this is known as the Trinity). They are all God together. God the Father punishes God the Son (Jesus). So God is both the judge and the guilty party for us. He is just and the one who justifies us while bearing our judgment on himself. Justice is satisfied.

I’m sorry that you feel you need Jesus to think that you are a good person. White lies and envy aren’t anything wrong - no one gets hurt.

Life has been very good to me - no need for a religious crook to support me as it wouldn’t add anything.

God can only be the judge of you if you let it.

Am no expert but I thought it was to do with original sin.

Of course it is always fine to disagree with something and not believe. It is offensive, nasty and goady to go on to insult people who do believe, and to choose to do so on their holy day. If people can't say something nice, don't say anything. Asking a question is one thing, and you are welcome to believe or not believe the answer. What isn't ok is to mock and belittle that belief in others.

Things are true regardless of your belief. The world is round whether or not you’re a flat earther. God will judge us all, whether or not we have believed in them.

Impossible to believe in something I don’t think exists and has no part of my life. Won’t be judging me.

Try reading my posts. I’ve said it is not ok to mock. However, if people are of the opinion that it’s a fairy tale and nonsense, they should be able to say that is their belief. Don’t take it so personally.

Try not to take this personally, but if you read my post I was agreeing with you and addressing ALL people who have made nasty comments - including those that say it is a fairy tale. You may believe that. You may not. It doesn't make it true or nice to mock others who do believe it. Please don't pretend that comments like that are intended to be polite or not mocking others. And don't pretend that some of those comments have not been removed for exactly that reason. Whilst I didn't complain, obviously some people were offended by posts that I saw earlier and found to be downright nasty.

It's interesting how much fun people find in poking fun at Christians on their holy days, which are very few. Watch how quickly MN would shut down the entire debate if people did this to any other faith on their holy days.

Calling it a fairy tale is mocking.

No different from Christians telling atheists that they will go to hell and that god is real.

I don’t believe in hell personally and I have never told an atheist that god is real. Do you go around telling people that their views are fairy tales and nonsense?

I have never met a Christian who has said that to anyone. Atheist or not. Please do point to the posts that said that, because I haven't read every single one of them, and I will personally ask MNHQ to remove them as offensive. As a Christian I neither believe that others will go to hell, not do I believe in hell. Others may do so, but if they for one minute said or implied that about another person, I would politely point out that it is not our place to make that judgement, but that it is very clear that we are judged as we judge others.

An honest question as I have no desire to be rude or anything but is god intending on judging billions of people for, well who knows how long. Just judging for evermore. Especially considering that we are apparently all born a sinner anyway. I can’t see how or why a god would be on board with such a long, tedious task. Constant judging, constant prayer listening, it simply doesn’t make sense to me.

The biggest issue I’ve always had with believing or having faith is how so little of it makes any sense. I stop watching a tv series if it’s convoluted and unnecessarily confusing and I did the same with the concept of a god. I don’t understand why people have to jump through hoops and twist themselves into pretzels to make sense of it. Even the fact so many people believe in the same thing yet have very different interpretations of what certain things mean makes me convinced people have no idea what any of it is about (hence, faith). I do like things to make logical sense or I can’t be on board with it.

Sometimes I look out the window and wonder if there’s a god looking down on us but I invariably come to the conclusion that no there isn’t.

I believe their views are fairy tales (that’s what we taught DT’s) but am polite enough not to say it to their face.

I wasn’t referring to a specific post on this thread but there are many of ‘god will judge you’ and ‘you are a sinner’ which are blatantly untrue.

On numerous Mn threads you are heavily criticised for not believing even though posters can provide zero evidence of god or how amazing he is meant to be.

The idea has its roots in the ancient Hebrew concept of atonement. The crucifixion, which happened at Passover, has a lot of synergies with that festival and is presented both as the ultimate act of atonement and as the fulfilment of the prophecies of Isaiah. It is part of the message that the old covenant between God and the Jewish people is broadened to include everyone.

No, I don't believe in hell as a fiery pit where evil souls burn and suffer for eternity. That doesn't mean I like the idea that people such as Hitler and Jimmy Saville aren't there.

My personal belief, as much as this agnostic has one, is that the concept of an eternity in hell is in opposition to an all loving, all forgiving god. And (while admitting I ought to read the whole bible properly one day), I don't believe the modern concept of hell exists in the bible.

The popular/common notion of hell is a medieval invention.

God is eternal, so a long time for us isn’t long for him.

But also, he’s made it clear that there will be an end point, when there will be final judgment day for everyone. After that, no more judging, just eternal life or eternal hell.

Only for those who believe in this. Evidence please to support your statements.

As I said before, it’s either true or it isn’t. Your personal belief doesn’t change that.

Religion - any religion - is ostensibly not a fairy tale, which doesn't mean that any religion- or belief in a deity is true.

Fairy tales arise from specific forms of folk beliefs and are very different in any number of ways to religion. To lump religious belief in with miscellaneous fairy tales is actually quite offensive, because - especially since the enlightenment - folk beliefs have come to be associated with people of little education and/or low intelligence.

By all means feel free to tell Christians, Muslims, Jews, Skihs, Hindus etc that you believe their religions are myths, but don't liken them to fairy tales unless you're attempting to offensively assert some form of intellectual superiority.

And if you do attempt to assert intellectual superiority, then learn what it is you're saying before you say it.

I would also say that in matters of politeness, it's pretty rude to declare religion is nothing but myths and stories to any person marking a holy day. There are times when it's best to remain non-committal or say nothing at all.

This does not affect one's right to free speech.

It isn’t true - my belief. You obviously can believe what you want but it doesn’t mean it’s true.

Right. But it’s not true ‘only if you believe’ which is what you said. I might be wrong, but so might you. But that won’t depend on whether you believed it.