to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

Thanks for your response. Yes, I struggle with that concept, I don't put jesus on same level of God. I love him and he's important to me, dearly. And I believe in his miracles, his life and his way is very important. And I believe he will come back and kill the antichrist and rule on earth in the end of times. But I don't see him as God or Son of God. He prayed to God , in the bible it states so. And God doesn't pray to a God.

So much of what people hate about Christianity is Church dogma - made up by humans for a variety of reasons, and stemming from attempting to answer complex theological questions in a way acceptable to the different time periods.

Which is why it's important to remember that what Jesus actually taught was compassion and kindness, irrespective of a person's status, circumstance, past etc.

People so frequently conflate the corruption of Jesus' teachings by humans with what the fundamentals of Christianity, as taught by Jesus, was.

The Christian / Abrhamaic God, Jesus of any of the prophets recognised in Abrahamic religions aren't responsible for war, murder, rape, oppression etc. People are.

My understanding of the history of Christianity was that Jesus dying on the Cross presented a bit of a challenge for the early Christians and they needed to find a way to understand why this happened. The idea of Jesus dying for our sins was born out of trying to make sense of the crucifiction, in theological terms.

*were

I am not especially angry at you.

However, you are not the only person on this thread

Dying for our sins just doesn’t make any sense so I think early Christians should have done a better job in making it make sense. How can Jesus have died for our sins when it was someone else who ordered his death. What would have happened if Pontious Pilate decided not to kill him or never arrested him in the first place?

@Judgejudysno1fan I've had a look at the AMA board to see if I could find the thread I referred to but am afraid after a dozen pages I've given up. It's there somewhere, amongst some other threads written by Anglican vicars none of which have the simple explanation I'm thinking of.

Yes, I believe in that too. God wouldn't allow him to do it. It was a test of faith. And Abraham pulled through. We celebrate this in eid.

so I think early Christians should have done a better job in making it make sense.
We should let them know 😄

Thank you kindly for taking the time to look for that for me. I'm reading both bible and the quran. But I struggle as there so versions so usually stick with KJV. there's lots of things that correlate in the old testament and the quran. It's amazing to learn

God took the punishment on himself? So God is jesus and jesus/God punished themselves? Please explain this for me.

Maybe your beleifs are more aligned to either judism or islsmic religions ?
Both beleive he existed and was a preacher / prophet but not the son of Hod

You don't believe in hell???? So where is Hitler, child rapists, Jimmy Saville????

You've never, ever, ever done anything wrong at all in your whole life? You must be Jesus himself then.

They've gone straight to the burning depths of hell. Apparently.

Yes, I am a Muslim revert. :)

Just wondering why it is called “reverting” when Christianity was established 700 years before islam?

Many people believe that when we die, our loved ones remember us and in that way our memories live on but we are simply dead. There not being an heaven or hell isn’t a horrifying thought to everyone.

Also in many religions, including Islam, sincere repentance can be enough for god to forgive any sin even those of the monsters you mention in your post. The god you worship would offer entrance to paradise for those men if he believed they were sincerely sorry and believe in him. Surely you know that as a revert?

Muslims think everyone is really born Muslim, hence peiole ‘revert’ to their original state, rather than ‘convert’.

Please go and read some actual books on this. No one in a mumsnet post can explain to any degree of sceptical satisfaction the mystery of the trinity, the homousious, the mysteries of evil, freedom and suffering. Unless the question is just to be provocative.

https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/contributors/does-modern-secularism-have-a-memory-problem-2-2/

"The reality is that both secular and religious ideas can be dangerous, but when secularism has turned militant, it has been far deadlier."

Well obviously I'm not but you seem to paint us all with the same brush. I'm sorry there are some on here who say they're Christian and can't just let others believe what they want and let it go.

I can’t think of anything I’ve done wrong or that my friends and family have. You don’t have to have the threat of religion to be a good person.
What did Jesus do which was so good?

AIBU isn't really the place to ask, is it though? You look like you're stirring. You have a whole internet full of knowledge to research this, local churches who would be happy to answer your questions, YouTube videos on this exact topic - but no, Mumsnet is the place you choose to ask this question - baffling!

Correct.