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to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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switcheroooo · 20/04/2025 10:06

If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

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Zeitumschaltung · 20/04/2025 11:12

According to what they believe, he died to take away original sin. All the other sins you commit in your life are on you.

SunnyDenimKoala · 20/04/2025 11:12

I doubt that MN AIBU is the best place to try and understand Christian theology.

Unsquaredancer · 20/04/2025 11:13

@ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime - yes but why today? As I said, how would that go down with other religions.

Whooowhooohoo · 20/04/2025 11:13

switcheroooo · 20/04/2025 10:06

If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

Go online and research this if actually interested.

Hoppinggreen · 20/04/2025 11:15

I went to a C of E school in the late &0's with a religious fanatic as a Head and I used to get into trouble a LOT for asking questions like this.
I am not a Christian and I have to this day never had a satisfactory answer to the whole Jesus thing. I cannot understand WHY he was necessary and what it actually meant in practical terms.

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:15

Unsquaredancer · 20/04/2025 11:13

@ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime - yes but why today? As I said, how would that go down with other religions.

Because people are thinking about Easter….because it’s Easter. I don’t think about religion very much day to day, but I might on days that are religious events. I’m less likely to do anything for Eid whereas I do celebrate Xmas, Easter etc, not in a religious way, just with gifts, seeing family and friends etc. Saying that, when my daughter mentions children are off school due to Eid, we often have a conversation about Eid which is questioning of Islam.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/04/2025 11:17

Unsquaredancer · 20/04/2025 11:07

So it's fine to insult Christians on their most holy day rightho!

Love how to see how that pans out for Muslims at Eid, Jews at Passover and Hindus at Diwali.

No wonder Reform is gaining traction.

Would you really rather people could question Christianity? Even through simple MN thread that doesn’t even insult it but is just asking questions?

Other religions can do as they like, but as someone who was brought up in the Christian tradition, I welcome the idea of free speech and discussion.

It doesn’t stop anyone celebrating Easter.

switcheroooo · 20/04/2025 11:21

I am not sure why people think I am insulting Christians on their holy day. Do religions not encourage questioning? Surely questioning can lead to understanding.

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Unsquaredancer · 20/04/2025 11:21

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing - I am all in favour of free speech and healthy debate but as I said, it's always the Christians that are fair game. I daresay this could have been discussed tomorrow or next week and Easter would still be fresh in the memory of those pondering about Jesus.

Karasis · 20/04/2025 11:23

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Stop press everyone, @Didshejustsaythatoutloud thinks it's nonsense, it must be!

If you think this age is enlightened you're on glue.

No, OP, in the Christian theology Jesus's sacrifice doesn't mean no-one has personal responsibility. It means redemption is possible.

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:24

It would be nice if it could be discussed respectfully and not called nonsense and fairy tales etc. Fair enough if you don’t believe it but for many of us Easter is a very special time of year.
I teach about many religions in RE that I don’t believe in as a Christian but manage to not insult that religion.

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:25

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:24

It would be nice if it could be discussed respectfully and not called nonsense and fairy tales etc. Fair enough if you don’t believe it but for many of us Easter is a very special time of year.
I teach about many religions in RE that I don’t believe in as a Christian but manage to not insult that religion.

You haven't been insulting, some people must just think it’s above questioning. It’s very dangerous when we don’t question something which has the potential to control others.

Karasis · 20/04/2025 11:25

I genuinely don't understand people who shit on Christianity and still celebrate Christmas and Easter. I'm not a Christian, but if you think it's that dumb, you're a massive hyprocrite to even celebrate it culturally, and should stop.

MaySea · 20/04/2025 11:25

Unsquaredancer · 20/04/2025 11:07

So it's fine to insult Christians on their most holy day rightho!

Love how to see how that pans out for Muslims at Eid, Jews at Passover and Hindus at Diwali.

No wonder Reform is gaining traction.

Ok, the Old Testament/Torah god is a vengeful prick. Happy?

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:26

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:24

It would be nice if it could be discussed respectfully and not called nonsense and fairy tales etc. Fair enough if you don’t believe it but for many of us Easter is a very special time of year.
I teach about many religions in RE that I don’t believe in as a Christian but manage to not insult that religion.

People are allowed opinions that religion is nonsense. Stop trying to police people’s language.

Hoppinggreen · 20/04/2025 11:27

switcheroooo · 20/04/2025 11:21

I am not sure why people think I am insulting Christians on their holy day. Do religions not encourage questioning? Surely questioning can lead to understanding.

I am just reading a very interesting book about Christianity spreading across the world when it first started to gain some traction and according to that it was the first religion that actively discouraged questions as an inherent part of it.

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:28

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:26

People are allowed opinions that religion is nonsense. Stop trying to police people’s language.

It is rude to call someone’s religion nonsense and I stand by that.
I wouldn’t call anyone’s religion in real life nonsense.
Im not policing just asking for some respectful language for my religion.

Hoppinggreen · 20/04/2025 11:28

Karasis · 20/04/2025 11:25

I genuinely don't understand people who shit on Christianity and still celebrate Christmas and Easter. I'm not a Christian, but if you think it's that dumb, you're a massive hyprocrite to even celebrate it culturally, and should stop.

I celebrate both of those things from a non religious perspective (I only use the words Christmas and Easter as they are the accepted norm here)

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:29

Karasis · 20/04/2025 11:25

I genuinely don't understand people who shit on Christianity and still celebrate Christmas and Easter. I'm not a Christian, but if you think it's that dumb, you're a massive hyprocrite to even celebrate it culturally, and should stop.

Who are you to think you can tell people what they should do on a certain day. 😂 It makes sense to celebrate Xmas/Easter for many of us as we get time off work and school together so it’s easier to see family and friends etc.

user1492757084 · 20/04/2025 11:29

Op, finding a local C of E Christian Church and attending services for the six weeks before Easter and during Easter will give you insight as to what Christians believe the Bible is teaching about Jesus dying for our sins. You will hear Bible readings, explanations, people giving their different interpretations of what that meant in their lives etc.
You will understand more and what you agree with, disagree with etc. if you are open to being informed and educated on the subjuct.

Listening to St John Passion by Johann Sebastian Bach could interest you too.

Zeitumschaltung · 20/04/2025 11:30

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:28

It is rude to call someone’s religion nonsense and I stand by that.
I wouldn’t call anyone’s religion in real life nonsense.
Im not policing just asking for some respectful language for my religion.

This isn’t very Christian of you.
”But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 20/04/2025 11:30

Fridgetapas · 20/04/2025 11:28

It is rude to call someone’s religion nonsense and I stand by that.
I wouldn’t call anyone’s religion in real life nonsense.
Im not policing just asking for some respectful language for my religion.

And other people will stand by their opinions and not think it’s rude or disrespectful. Deal with it.

Tinseltuttifruitti · 20/04/2025 11:32

I'm an atheist but the study of religion is the study of history and human nature. It's certainly hard for us to imagine now the grip the church once had.

@godsmessage I think it's because we cannot possibly know the will of god, and part of Jesus' sacrifice was making a leap of faith (ha) to show that he put his full trust in god and his will.

Eyerollexpert · 20/04/2025 11:32

I am not religious but went to a Christian school and Sunday school. What I take from it and have throughout the years is I know right from wrong, the 10 commandments, be kind and compassionate be generous where possible, respect others and always try to do the right thing.
I have brought up my kids in this way too. If everyone followed these things there would be no crime etc, but we are not perfect so things happen and consequences are required.

Zeitumschaltung · 20/04/2025 11:33

People celebrating Easter culturally with chocolate aren’t celebrating anything to do with Christianity. It’s a much older Pagan festival.

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