to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

DT’s went to an international school so we’re lucky enough to be exposed to many different religions, cultures and beliefs. They have good friends of different faiths.
However DH and I are atheists and taught DT’s that people believe different things - no one is right or wrong or better than another but we believe that god/jesus are fairy stories along with the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Saint Nicholas. Others have different interpretations and they are no more right than I am. This is not to do with low intelligence - we all have post grad degrees. DT’s were encouraged to make their own minds up and as adults are atheists. Politeness to others with different beliefs is paramount and just because you think something, you don’t say to their face.
Today is a perfect day for a debate on religion and other than some saying I’m wrong (which I’m not!) it’s been good natured and informative thread.

What won’t depend on whether I believe or not?

Crikey sounds hideous (sorry).

Well I presume Christians believe God knows how things will work out, so could insert himself/ JC in the situation knowing how it would end up. Its very clear in the gospels that JC talks of his own forecoming death.

There is no evidence of any truths so I’ll stick with my opinion.

@Parker231 maybe don't insist on calling religions fairy tales when I've just pointed out that they're not - even if there is no such thing as god.
I also didn't suggest that anyone, regardless of belief or disbelief, has low intelligence or is uneducated.

What I did was point out how your assertion that religious belief is a fairy tale is objectively false.

What makes god good though? One (whoever ‘one’ is even if it’s god themselves) can’t just say god’s good without backing it up (by actions not words). So can anyone say what actions have deemed god good.

And why would we want to go to the place where the man deciding is? No thanks 😅

Fiction.

Its a belief. She doesn't need to provide evidence, other than that which exists within her own belief system. That's how beliefs work.

As long as she is not requiring others to believe, or society to organise around her beliefs, that's fine.

Its religious belief, it doesn't need to meet the standard of a peer reviewed paper in Nature Journal.

Read your own posts?

But also, he’s made it clear that there will be an end point, when there will be final judgment day for everyone. After that, no more judging, just eternal life or eternal hell.

re the above post - as it’s only a belief and not fact, won’t apply to non believers.

There is no evidence of fact of heaven, hell, god, etc

I wouldn't bother. This poster is just goady and is of the I'm right everyone else is wrong mind. Yet gaslight by saying they wouldn't be rude to anyone's face about their opinion, but the Internet is fair game. Not forgetting they have taught their children that different faiths exist, however I'd hazard a guess they have probably told them that these people are a bit silly.

Funny how it's always non believers who shove their beliefs down others throats and insist they're right.

They won’t. It’s easier and more acceptable to mock the Christian faith.

You've missed their point.

Assume, for a moment, that God exists and atheists have got it wrong - this is just a thought exercise, I'm not forcing a belief on anyone. So, assume for a moment that God exists and what's more the Christian belief of a final day of judgement is correct...

What the pp said is that in such a case, its irrelevant if you or anyone else doesn't believe it, that final day of judgement will still happen.

I still can’t make sense of it though. Why does jesus need to die, especially as he rises from the dead soon after. Why does the act of dying (and then rising) absolve future sins and what about all the people before Jesus came to earth (I don’t think I’ve got an answer to that one yet).

If I ever met god I’d be like a kid constantly asking why. Although I am not a believer myself I do feel I want to get to the bottom of why certain things have been put in place (regardless of whether they are fact or fiction).

the thread has been good natured from both sides so no need to be rude. I’ve put up with posters telling me that regardless of what I believe, god/day of atonement will prevail and that I’m a sinner.

DT’s have had an amazing upbringing with so many different religions amongst their friends - annually they are invited to ceremonies with friends and their relatives. They have always been made very welcome as have their friends in our home. They respect our beliefs and it’s doesn’t affect our friendships. Two of DS’s friends spent Christmas with us one year and had a great time celebrating in a different way.

I got ripped to pieces when I posted asking how as a church, could we get more people to attend.

As expected, the usual insults came out.
Churches are full of nonce's
Sky fairy rubbish
Post your proof and so on.

As a Christian I have worked out that people are religious when it benefits them, examples are:
Getting into a Catholic school, you have to attend church for a few weeks/months before you get confirmation that you attended. Once accepted into school, never seen again.

Wedding, same as above.

Funerals.

Tbh, when I hear Jesus died for your sins and came back to life, it has as much truth in it as men saying they’re women. Impossible. I just think of it as a myth used by a primitive religion to explain pain and suffering. And hanging on to a bit of human sacrifice too.

But you haven't been respectful to all posters though. I have been nothing but pleasant and accepting of your beliefs but you still were snide.

I’ve patiently explained my beliefs and repeatedly been told I’m wrong - am I just meant to accept that?

Have never claimed religion to get into a particular school. Didn’t get married in a church and won’t be having a funeral service in one

And yet if I insisted you were wrong and i was right, what would your response be?

It depends what posts you're referring to. For example, I pointed out that your use and understanding of fairy tales is objectively incorrect, which isn't a religious opinion or stance (I'm not Christian either).

But in the UK, civic society is organised around religious (Christian) beliefs. There are archbishops in the Houses of Parliament! The head of state is the head of the state religion!