to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

That poster still hasn’t explained what they mean by success/failure. Maybe they don't actually know.

No one has said that disagreeing per se is negative. But, to dismiss without acknowledging that there are other ways, that other ways are as good, or maybe better, is to denigrate others points of view and feelings, which definitely is a negative approach.

It's closed minded because you are insistent that your way is the right way. You are not willing, or perhaps able, to consider that you might not be right. You state that not everything can be explained, which is of course a valid viewpoint. But then take the leap that that means it can't be questioned. Its the sort of sleight of hand that confidence tricksters use, and frankly debases the debate.

I have not seen atheists mocking; they have asked questions that you do not answer, other than in riddles, which get questioned further. If you interpret that as mocking then that's on you

And, to your final paragraph, it's pefectly possible to ponder one's existence without needing religion in your life.

I have spent many months and years pondering the meaning of life since my husband died. I'm at peace with the reality, which is that we are born, we live and we die. I am lucky to live when I do, in the place that I do, with the people that I do and to have experinced the things that I have. Belief in something else has never been needed. Along the way we we support and nurture family and friends, we do good things and we have lots of wonderful and some not so wonderful experiences. We are curious, we learn, we travel, we explore. We try to have a positive impact on those around us. All without feeling the need to attribute this to some nebulous higher being.

You might take a different approach That's also fine :)

Evolution is a theory, not a fact. I have a science degree and I have looked into the evidence. I believe that the evidence can be interpreted in the way I have stated and you believe it can't. It doesn't make either of us unworthy of respect. There are many eminent scientists who take the same position as me, and many who don't. I think it is possible to respect each other and not assume that either of us are unintelligent. Both parties are coming at the evidence with some bias, atheist scientists aren't intrinsically more reliable than Christian ones.

No but scientists who ignore facts are not worthy of being called scientists. Christian scientists evolve their belief structures to fit facts. You are ignoring facts.

evolution is not a theory. If you’d done a science degree you’d know that. Calling it a “theory” has a specific meaning in scientific terms, not that it’s not proven.

Is the earth flat too?

Plenty of people have not answered questions I have asked which is fine. It is everybody's choice what they want to answer and do not want to answer.

You have come to your own reality and I have no issue with that. Everybody has freedom of choice. I would not argue otherwise.

This thread will be coming to an end shortly as it has already reached 40 pages.

I wish you and everyone else peace on this thread whatever your thoughts and perspectives may be.

Actually, I think the atheists on this thread have mostly been polite and reasonable. It's ok to ask questions. Atheists and Christians can't both be right. We can respect each other, but ultimately one of us is wrong.

When Jesus returns to Earth, everyone will see Him. Non believers will all know then that Jesus Christ is Lord. But the Bible makes it clear that it will then be too late for anybody who has not accepted Him to do so.

Isaac Newton and Louis Pasteur believed in creation and a young earth. You can't say they aren't worthy of being called scientists. I am not ignoring facts. I am interpreting evidence. To say that anyone who doesn't believe the same as you isn't worthy to be called a scientist is arrogant and offensive.
And of course the earth isn't flat. The Bible doesn't say it is, and it's obvious that it isn't.

Evolution is a theory, but the vast majority of scientists (98%, in case facts matter) believe that humans (and other species) have evolved over time. That leaves 2% that don't. Perhaps you are part of the 98%, but willing to interpret the theory to fit your religous beliefs, and that's fine. Perhaps you are part of the 2% That's also fine. But surely, in either case, you accept that yours is a minority, if not extreme minority view and as such is likely to be questioned?

Sure, I realise it's a minority view but that doesn't make it wrong. Most people just accept evolution without question, why is that a good point of view to take. There is much evidence for my point of view.
www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

So what happens to non believers when Jesus turns up?

When is this happening?

No one knows when this is happening. That's why it's important to be ready now. Non believers will be sent to eternal punishment.

Scientists believe what was thought at the time. Proof has now been found that it was wing so I can pretty much say that should those individuals see the evidence we have now they would change their views

and it’s not about believing the same as me, it’s about blatant disregard for evidence and facts. I’m sorry but I can’t see anyone who does that as being credible, or intelligent. I’m sorry if that comes across as arrogant.

the earth is not young. Evolution did happen and continues to do so. The flat earth dig was cheap, sorry, but it’s the same level of disregard for facts that those people have

Ready for what and when?

Whats my eternal punishment (I thought god was caring and loving?)

Don’t be ridiculous. Why would not believing been seen as such a heinous crime?

As a matter of fact, no one knows if this is happening. So why worry about it. You can't force non believers into an imaginary environment because it suits your story. That makes no sense at all.

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Popcorn anyone?

Popcorn is one of the greatest gifts god has given us. It's a very cheap way of filling up 5,000 people

New thread if anyone wants to continue

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5321060-discussion-about-jesuss-death-which-now-encompasses-creationism-and-the-second-coming-thread-2

Hands up who wants to share heaven for eternity with this lot? What, no one! Come on people it won’t be that bad….. will it? 😬

Have you read the links I posted? There is evidence for a young earth and evidence against evolution. Why is it ok to disregard and ignore that? Show me the evidence of evolution between species if it's so obvious. Evolution is a theory formulated to explain a group of facts. There is no proof of evolution.

And you can't escape something just because you don't believe in it

Well yes, you can. The only time you can’t escape it is if it’s a fact. And it isn’t.

How can you be so sure it isn't a fact?

Forgive my scepticism, but I am not sure than in organisation called The Institure for Creation Research is a credible source of evidence.

Let's take the second sentence of the second paragraph: "If it were a real process, evolution should still be occurring"

And then lets see how that stands up agains verifiable evolution that has taken place in our lifetime, which includes the emergence of antibiotic-resistant bacteria and pesticide-resistant insects. How does one, credibly, sustain the view that evolution is not real?