to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

You don't have to understand it, just let people live. I'm an atheist, but I think people can believe what they choose if it's important to them and gives them what they need to navigate their way through life.

Op wasn't insulting and it is fine to ask any religion about the religion.
And yea, it is fine to ask muslims about aspects of Islam on Eid(s). I did it🤷 millions do it. As pp said, it's everywhere on the day(s) so people think about it.

Even as non believer I do though think pps could have kept their "it's all stupid fairy tales" opinions to themselves for once. It is rude.

I imagine "why today" is because today is the day that our calendar focuses most on the whole concept. Today will surely be the day that thousands of priests and vicars and pastors in thousands sermons around the world try and address exactly this question.

Why not today?

Probably won't!

Jesus and God are fine. Original sin is man-made, to keep people in their place - and blaming women for it to boot!
Some older forms of Christianity did not use this in their gospels - which is why the Vatican tried to take control of the Dead Sea Scrolls - and why the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden in the first place. Jesus was executed by the Romans because he was a nuisance to to their colonisation of Israel.
i’d love to go to church, but can’t handle celebrating human sacrifice.

You are rude and I’m sure you wouldn’t speak to someone in real life like this. But I’ll leave it there as clearly you are spoiling for a fight online.

Fairy tales is a derogatory term. Interestingly enough it is often the atheist who force their views on people and not the people who follow a religion.

The problem is, I don't respect your religion. I think it's daft. I think you are daft to believe in it.

And, to be entirely frank, I value an anonymous space where I am able to share that thought freely, because you are correct, it would be considered extremely rude to say that to someone's face. I believe it is to the detriment of society that religion gets a free pass where it cannot be criticised.

Perhaps not today? Maybe just go and chill out in front of the TV and have a roast dinner. 🤷

Not at all, and you’ll notice I haven't called religion nonsense or a fairy tale or anything else. I just believe that people should be allowed to give their opinion on religion. Others can debate it if they want or are free to ignore it. Just do what suits you.

It is a protected characteristic. I was mocked about going to church years ago. Now I would report them.

Assuming you’re British, you live in a country with churches, temples, mosques, synagogues all over, a lot of faith schools (about one third of all UK schools), and an official state religion whose head is your HoS. Your right to worship is enshrined in human rights law.

I’m not sure I’m seeing any evidence of these meanie atheists forcing their views on anyone.

Yes, Oestre was an Anglo-Saxon goddess, and during April feasts were held in her honour. This pagan tradition was subsumed into the Christian celebration of Easter way back when Christianity was slowly becoming the organised religion in Britain, as the church found it easier to convert people to the new religion by incorporating their existing rituals rather than banning them outright. It's the same with Christmas- that's a mix of pagan and Christian rituals too. The Yule Log was originally a pagan ritual. A massive wooden tree trunk that was brought in and lit in the hearth to burn continuously for about two weeks around the time of the winter solstice , as part of the old festival of Yule, to celebrate the return of longer daylight hours. And Saturnalia was a roman festival that took place at the same time of year, and celebrated a similar thing with feasting, games etc.

Being a protected characteristic doesn’t mean people can’t question or have their own opinions on a forum like mumsnet, as long as they don’t break talk guidelines. I don’t think anyone should mock you for your choices and would presume mocking would be classified as a personal attack so would be deleted.

Gosh. I'd heard of original sin but didn't know what it referred to. As almost no Christians these days believe in Adam and Eve, does that mean that Christian's no longer believe in original sin? As you can't, it seems, believe in one without the other.

Hi OP,
It's fine to ask questions, it's how people learn. This might explain some of it but I'd also recommend finding out when the next Alpha course is running in one of your local churches and joining that if can.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206&version=MSG

It was at work. I probably should have said something at the time.

You should not face discrimination because of your religious beliefs.

That does not mean that on a discussion forum about your religious beliefs, I can't say those beliefs are daft or you are daft to hold them.

Op asked simple question. Maybe people could like, you know, keep to that and not be goady. It's like militant vegans moaning on thread when OP asks how to cook steak. Just leave it.

I know it's very hard for people on MN to simply answer question or not post if they have nothing of value to say, but I believe if they try hard enough a miracle of one thread staying on topic can happen...

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Yes, if it bothered you. Sometimes it can be best to ignore them though, not because it is acceptable to mock you, it definitely isn’t, but just is it worth the fight and energy. 💐

Those things are entirely possible without Christianity.
In fact DD always says that she believes that people who live good lives and help other people WITHOUT religion are better human beings and I do agree.

This is what's known in the field of logic as the "appeal to consequences", i.e. saying that because you don't like the possible consequences of something being true, that means it can't be. Which, if you think about it for five seconds, makes no sense at all. Lots of things that we don't personally like are true. (And maybe the next person DOES like the same thing; this still has no bearing on whether it's true). Do you usually believe things or not based on your emotional reaction to them? If so, I would gently suggest that you try to retrain yourself on this, because it leads to a lot of daft ideas and bad choices.

We would all do well to spend some time learning about logical fallacies, I think. Here's a starting point:

Appeal to consequences - Wikipedia

List of fallacies - Wikipedia

Anyway, whether a person believes their sins are forgiven or not, they are still subject to the laws of whatever country they're in like everyone else.

Sorry, you should NOT face discrimination! Typo, immediately corrected.

Maybe we don’t listen to that bit in Ireland!