Suicide rates and being spoken out of existence

[crunchynuts12345]

A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

It absolutely is. I’ve been in a coercive control situation where my partner frequently threatened to kill himself. It is abuser logic. My campaigning for women’s rights is about me and the rights of women and girls. I’m not responsible for the mental health of people who object to my perfectly reasonable human rights.

I’d like you to post the rate of completed suicide in the trans community please @crunchynuts12345because that is what “suicide rate” means.

@MrsOvertonsWindow Unlike you, my colleagues and I actually work with and know trans people as individuals not as some abstract threat to be feared. We listen to their experiences, support them through real struggles, and see their humanity every day.
What’s truly irresponsible is spreading fear and misinformation about an already marginalised group. History will judge that kind of rhetoric harshly and rightly so. The world is moving forward, and views like yours are not just outdated; they’re becoming indefensible. The NHS agrees. What exactly are you so afraid of? It’s SO weird.

This

Pretty sure the only poster spreading "fear and misinformation" here is you. We all want trans people to feel safe and happy. That doesn't make them the opposite sex and there's no good reason to pretend that it does. If someone's mental health is dependent on other people lying to them the answer is not to lie to them, but to help them be able to cope with the truth.

I can tell you’re on broadcast mode, @crunchynuts12345but it really won’t fly here. Women campaigning for our sex based rights are not in the wrong here. Read the Samaritans guidelines on reporting suicide, digest the eminently sensible 88 page Supreme Court judgment, and advise your clients that the world isn’t out to get them, it’s just that other people and their rights matter too.

Well said.

indeed.

I would have thought actually that this type of posting would be unethical.

What you're describing isn't truth, it's your belief about sex and gender, presented as if it's universally agreed upon. It isn't. The idea that recognising someone's gender identity is "lying" says more about your discomfort than it does about objective reality. My question is what makes you so uncomfortable? It's weird!!

It may not be “universally agreed upon” but yours is the fringe belief. Not mine. Read the room. Not just TRA echo chambers.

I'm assuming the OP doesn't have some sort of accreditation, e.g. BACP or the like. If so, she should be reported.

Have a look at the poll results of every single one of the many trans threads since the judgment came out. You’ll be able to spot a commonality. You can compare it to all the polls which show that the majority of the public think sex is more important than “gender”.

Everyone's just so over all this emotional manipulation. Just stop all the drama and get on with you life.

Any random can call themselves a “therapist”, it’s like calling yourself a “nutritionist”.

You're the ones making all the drama over changing rooms and imaginary toilet scenarios. Honestly, it’s like being in an old people's home with a loud tv repeating the same advert every 7 seconds.
Most of you shouting the loudest about this have probably never even had a conversation with a trans person You're talking about people you don’t know, based on fears that don't hold up in the real world.
So again how is this personally affecting you? What exactly is being taken from you? Because from here, it just looks like you're uncomfortable with someone else existing differently than you do. And that’s not a valid reason to deny anyone dignity.

Personally, I have no interest in your gender identity. It's irrelevant to me, knock yourself out.

I will not pretend you've changed sex however.

I’ve said several times why this is important to me. I’m not going to keep repeating myself.

Have you got the completed suicide rates yet please @crunchynuts12345?

@Ereshkigalangcleg Use the scroll feature.
Have you got stats on how any of this is personally affecting you? No, I didn't think so, because it probably isn't

Acupuncturists call themselves therapists, reflexologists, reiki practitioners, masseurs, people who’ve done an online counselling course - the list is endless.

Exactly, it means nothing in qualification terms. Not a protected title.

But if the OP is accredited, that's worrying.

I’ve no need to scroll through the whole thread, there’s this nifty feature where you can filter the OPs posts, and you haven’t posted the completed suicide stats. You posted some dubious looking queer studies research paper in screenshots. Then you posted some suicide attempt stats (data which is self reported and notoriously unreliable). Please post the stats I asked for.

I got to a women's group where a lot of us talk about trauma, rape etc.
We have had trans women attend. Some have been very obvious men that have said they are women. Think beer gut and beard. Or men in women's clothing with beards and glittery make up.
We had to accept them, and acknowledge they are "women". They say they don't feel safe in men's groups (they are men, sorry). That should be a problem for the men in the groups to deal with... they should be the ones changing their behaviour and making transwomen (men) feel safe in those groups. It is not up to women in women's safe spaces to cater and make safe men in their own spaces.
I feel actual women are the ones being spoken out of existence here.
The whole gender thing is bollocks too. I have a sex and a personality.

I’m sorry you are having to deal with men in what should be a safe space @NeedASafeSpace

Thanks. I posted about it on a similar thread and a few other women spoke about similar experiences too.