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... being angry with my parents?

212 replies

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 19:40

Spoilt brat alert

My parents are fairly comfortably off, especially now that my dad has retired (mum is SAHM) and they have few outgoings, and have always been extremely generous with money.

A few years ago now, I set about becoming a lawyer. I already had an English degree (which they supported me through), so this meant doing a conversion course (one year), a further one year course, and then two years in a training contract before qualifying as a solicitor. I set about funding this myself, partly through working during university holidays and partly through a bank loan. Because I wanted to be a legal aid lawyer, this meant I had to cover all my course fees and living costs myself (if you have a training contract with a big rich firm then they will generally pay your fees and give you some money towards living costs).

In case it isn't clear from the above, there was a gap of several years between finishing my first degree and starting my course where I was working and supporting myself - I didn't do them back to back.

I did the first course in London and after a while, as my parents knew I was struggling, they offered to pay my rent (£250 a month), which was a huge help. For the second course, I ended up moving back home to live with them - which was fab

When I moved back home, my dad offered to pay my course fees, both for the upcoming year and for the year that I had already done/paid for. I was extremely grateful for this, as you might imagine.

Skip forward a couple of years. Halfway through my two-year training contract, I decided that there was no point me finishing it. I was desperately unhappy - crying most evenings and calling Samaritans a couple of times from work. I found the work utterly depressing. In case it isn't already obvious from the previous two sentences nor did I seem particularly good at it; I'd gone into Legal Aid because I wanted to help people and instead I was just floundering. Finally, my salary was so low that it cost me slightly more to live and work in London than I was getting paid - so I was effectively paying to go to work. I felt there was no point carrying on and left my job. I still consider it one of the best things I ever did.

My parents were extremely upset and angry that I didn't complete my training contract - not because they wanted me to be a lawyer (my mum has said she didn't think I was suited to it) but because they thought I should stick with it. My mum in particular thinks that completeing my training contract would have given me more opportunities, whereas in fact it would, as far as I know, have qualified me for nothing except being a solicitor, which I didn't want to be. I hate upsetting and disappointing them but couldn't face another year of hell just to please them.

Over the next few years, my mum occasionally complained about the fact that I hadn't finished my contract and that I had wasted their money, which really upset me but I bit my tongue because I hate conflict, particularly with them.

Skip forward another couple of years. My DB and his wife bought a house with my parents' help, renovated it and sold it a few months ago for an enormous profit. Because my parents had helped them out and they wouldn't have been able to buy it otherwise, my parents promised to give me and my other brother each £20,000 out of their share of the proceeds. Yay - again I was very grateful for this.

They have recently told me that they've decided to take out of that £20,000 all the money they've given me over the past few years (and the same for my brother too). This means that, less the course fees they paid, it's now something like £11,000.

The main thing that upsets me about this is not that I've "lost" £9,000 (because obviously I haven't lost anything at all - on the contrary, I'm being given a huge sum of money!) but I feel like I'm being punished for not completing my contract. I am sure that, if I'd finished it, it would never have occurred to them to take the money back again.

It also upsets me that a few years ago they gave me a gift and now they've taken it back off me again.

Finally, £1,000 of the money they've claimed back comes from a deposit they paid on the first flat a friend and I rented in 1997. When we moved out, the landlady ripped us off so we didn't have the money to pay back to them and we eventually forgot that we owed it at all (I am mortified about this ). However, they only suddenly started mentioning it about a year ago. Now they've said that they've taken the whole £1,000 off me and if I want my friend's share then I'll have to ask her for it. Which is kind of fair enough but I am too embarrassed to mention it after 11 years and it upsets me that they've effectively passed her debt on to me because they're too embarrassed to ask about it either.

I'm sorry this is so long I feel (marginally) better for purging. On the one hand I feel like I'm being a spoiled bitch because, ffs, someone's giving me £11,000, but on the other I feel like I'm being unfairly punished and it really really upsets me

DH says I should just let it go. I would love to let it go - but how?

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Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:52

But it isn't unfair is it? She is getting a massive cash gift she hasn't worked a stroke for!

Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:53

I do get the fair bit as well

I had a friend whose sister was constantly being bailed out financially by her parents

he was resentful and fiercely, angrily proud that he never had to be bailed out

but it made him so cross that all her mistakes just went away and because he was more sensible he got nothing

HonoriaGlossop · 16/05/2008 20:53

and yes, if this was me I think I would ensure that any money they give for the grandchild be in a very clear and unambigous way, eg in a child trust fund rather than the odd fifty quid here and there for bits you need, generous though that would be

Sidge · 16/05/2008 20:53

I don't really understand the vitriol towards the OP.

As I see it, it's not really the money (which she never asked for, it was offered), it's the fact that the money she was given now, so many years down the line, has become a loan with provisos and terms and conditions. That is, we would have given you 20 grand but we feel you took the wrong path all those years ago so now we're going to financially penalise you for it.

Of course 11 grand is still a huge amount of money, but it's the principle isn't it? The OP did what she thought was the right thing at the time (i.e. give up her course/contract) but now her parents are in effect saying that they think she did the wrong thing.

I think that's what hurts the OP, the implied message from her parents that she has failed them.

chrissnow · 16/05/2008 20:53

A little unfair. She has worked. It may not have worked out but she did work.
And the word 'gift' means 'gift' something not worked for.

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:53

Oh for heavens sake, the parents are people, not a cash machine. They feel an obligation (a huge obligation it seems to me) to all their children. Why should they favour this one over the others?

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:54

She didn't work on the house from which all this lovely free money is coming from, did she?

Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:54

yes Honoria

afaik you can just give your parents the details of the child trust fund and they can pay in directly; they don't even have to tell you how much

sallystrawberry · 16/05/2008 20:55

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RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:55

Journey, no I think they're actually okay with me not being a lawyer. I think they're actually just doing the parent thing of worrying about me, and I think that, at the time I dropped out of my contract, they were worried about what would happen to me - which I can understand, as I was quite worried too! I think I'm aware of the fact that someone with my educational background "should" be doing a lot better: for example, a bloke who was a year ahead of me in university has just been made partner of the same law firm where I work, but he works a 70 hour week with loads of stress and I work a 35 hour week with no stress. I'm happy with that decision but I guess I'm also aware that it's not what I "should" be doing. My parents have always told me that they care about my happiness, not what I am/do, but I sometimes wonder whether that's true - or whether I'm just projecting.

Are you being sarcastic about me using both my degrees? They are pointless but do make me very good at my job!

Moondog and NotaBanana I'm not assuming or expecting anything, but since you don't know me, my parents or my relationship with them, you probably just have to accept that I know them better than you do. I am fully prepared to support my own children, but if your parents offered to put money in trust for your kids, would you turn it down on principle?

Vivace with respect, you know nothing about how much I do or don't give to charity.

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Chequers · 16/05/2008 20:56

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Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:56

and if I am really being mean and vindictive, they are as much to blame as you if they brought up a daughter with so little regard for money that she forgot all about a substantial flat deposit

mrbojangles · 16/05/2008 20:56

i suspect there is a lesson to be learned in this and perhaps that is what your parents are trying to teach you. YABU

chrissnow · 16/05/2008 20:56

No she didn't work on the house, but neither did the 'other' brother who actually received the full £20,000.

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:56

Well have a think about people who have absolutely nothing. I find it remarkably sobering when I'm in a fit of self-pity, financial or otherwise.

spicemonster · 16/05/2008 20:58

Does it matter where and how her parents came by the money? I think that's irrelevant. To me the point is that (I think) if she had finished her course and was now a successful solicitor, she would be getting 20k. Because she didn't, that's being docked. Fair enough in some ways but I think her parents should have told her at the time that they expected that money back (which is effectively what they're doing).

My parents were furious with me when I walked out of one degree after a year because it wasn't working for me. They accused me of giving up, of never sticking at anything and it was horrible. I did a different one though and they realised in the end that I'd made the right decision and I am successful in a totally different field now.

Do you think they're disappointed that you're a typist OP?

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:58

Chrissnow, actually it says in her original post that they are doing EXACTLY the same to her other brother - ie taking out all the money they gave to them in the past. It's completely fair, and RainyWednesday is being paranoid. It's nothing to do with judging her, it's to do with making sure all the children get an equal share of the pot, and how can that be wrong?

Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:59

yes but bojangles as for the deposit they maybe should have taught her that lesson a teensy bit earlier

did they not say 'what about that deposit?' at the time when you could have dealt with it?

my god my mother would have gone spare at me not getting money back that was owed. She would be down there the day after, not 11 years down the line

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:59

Spicemonster, given that they are also deducting previous gifts to her other brother, I don't think there is a shred of evidence that she would be getting the 20K if she was a solicitor. They are being more than fair and generous.

Chequers · 16/05/2008 21:01

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RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 21:05

vivace the brother who did work on the house is getting a lot more.

chequers I have no idea what they're taking off my other brother's share. He runs his own business and I think they've helped out a bit when he was setting up etc but tbh none of us siblings jealously keeps score over what the others are getting.

spicemonster I don't think my brothers would have been resentful of them writing off the course, no. And I'm not resentful of any financial assistance they get either.

HonoriaGlossop I don't think my parents do know how upset I was - I think they might think I gave the whole thing up on a childish whim I was living 200 miles away from them at the time (and still do) and I protected them from knowing how unhappy I was because it would upset them. I suffered really badly from depression at uni as well but they never knew because they would be devastated.

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Vivace · 16/05/2008 21:06

I don't want to upset a pregnant woman, but honestly Rainy, I think you are being completely paranoid and your 'failure' is your obsession, not your parents'. Accept this amazing wonderful free money with good grace or not at all.

Chequers · 16/05/2008 21:07

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chrissnow · 16/05/2008 21:07

vivace - I don't disagree with you. Yes the children get an equal share of the pot financially. What i think the OP is trying to get at (and me) is that maybe a line should be drawn under it now. Gifts over, aid over, comments over.

Chequers · 16/05/2008 21:07

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