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... being angry with my parents?

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RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 19:40

Spoilt brat alert

My parents are fairly comfortably off, especially now that my dad has retired (mum is SAHM) and they have few outgoings, and have always been extremely generous with money.

A few years ago now, I set about becoming a lawyer. I already had an English degree (which they supported me through), so this meant doing a conversion course (one year), a further one year course, and then two years in a training contract before qualifying as a solicitor. I set about funding this myself, partly through working during university holidays and partly through a bank loan. Because I wanted to be a legal aid lawyer, this meant I had to cover all my course fees and living costs myself (if you have a training contract with a big rich firm then they will generally pay your fees and give you some money towards living costs).

In case it isn't clear from the above, there was a gap of several years between finishing my first degree and starting my course where I was working and supporting myself - I didn't do them back to back.

I did the first course in London and after a while, as my parents knew I was struggling, they offered to pay my rent (£250 a month), which was a huge help. For the second course, I ended up moving back home to live with them - which was fab

When I moved back home, my dad offered to pay my course fees, both for the upcoming year and for the year that I had already done/paid for. I was extremely grateful for this, as you might imagine.

Skip forward a couple of years. Halfway through my two-year training contract, I decided that there was no point me finishing it. I was desperately unhappy - crying most evenings and calling Samaritans a couple of times from work. I found the work utterly depressing. In case it isn't already obvious from the previous two sentences nor did I seem particularly good at it; I'd gone into Legal Aid because I wanted to help people and instead I was just floundering. Finally, my salary was so low that it cost me slightly more to live and work in London than I was getting paid - so I was effectively paying to go to work. I felt there was no point carrying on and left my job. I still consider it one of the best things I ever did.

My parents were extremely upset and angry that I didn't complete my training contract - not because they wanted me to be a lawyer (my mum has said she didn't think I was suited to it) but because they thought I should stick with it. My mum in particular thinks that completeing my training contract would have given me more opportunities, whereas in fact it would, as far as I know, have qualified me for nothing except being a solicitor, which I didn't want to be. I hate upsetting and disappointing them but couldn't face another year of hell just to please them.

Over the next few years, my mum occasionally complained about the fact that I hadn't finished my contract and that I had wasted their money, which really upset me but I bit my tongue because I hate conflict, particularly with them.

Skip forward another couple of years. My DB and his wife bought a house with my parents' help, renovated it and sold it a few months ago for an enormous profit. Because my parents had helped them out and they wouldn't have been able to buy it otherwise, my parents promised to give me and my other brother each £20,000 out of their share of the proceeds. Yay - again I was very grateful for this.

They have recently told me that they've decided to take out of that £20,000 all the money they've given me over the past few years (and the same for my brother too). This means that, less the course fees they paid, it's now something like £11,000.

The main thing that upsets me about this is not that I've "lost" £9,000 (because obviously I haven't lost anything at all - on the contrary, I'm being given a huge sum of money!) but I feel like I'm being punished for not completing my contract. I am sure that, if I'd finished it, it would never have occurred to them to take the money back again.

It also upsets me that a few years ago they gave me a gift and now they've taken it back off me again.

Finally, £1,000 of the money they've claimed back comes from a deposit they paid on the first flat a friend and I rented in 1997. When we moved out, the landlady ripped us off so we didn't have the money to pay back to them and we eventually forgot that we owed it at all (I am mortified about this ). However, they only suddenly started mentioning it about a year ago. Now they've said that they've taken the whole £1,000 off me and if I want my friend's share then I'll have to ask her for it. Which is kind of fair enough but I am too embarrassed to mention it after 11 years and it upsets me that they've effectively passed her debt on to me because they're too embarrassed to ask about it either.

I'm sorry this is so long I feel (marginally) better for purging. On the one hand I feel like I'm being a spoiled bitch because, ffs, someone's giving me £11,000, but on the other I feel like I'm being unfairly punished and it really really upsets me

DH says I should just let it go. I would love to let it go - but how?

OP posts:
lazarou · 16/05/2008 20:24

Rainy, you don't have to fall out with them. Just be honest with them. Tonight is probably not the right time though. There is some very good advice and different perspectives coming through for you on here now.

LoveMyGirls · 16/05/2008 20:25

She's your mum with or without the money she would have felt the right to comment about whatever choices in life you made imo.

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:26

Aiyee, you're all replying too fast for me to be able to reply individually - sorry.

Thank you some of you for understanding it is not about the money.

kerala yes, I would still have left the training contract if I had funded it totally myself. I cannot express how unhappy I was. As well as that I was in huge amounts of debt and only getting deeper and with no prospect of earning a reasonable amount on qualification, so I quit while I was ahead.

ElizabethBeresford I should say that to them. I should tell them how unhappy I was at the time and how much happier I am now. I don't want to upset them by telling them how unhappy I was because I know it would make them unhappy that I was unhappy!

blueshoes they didn't divvy up the profits. I don't think I was clear about having two brothers - one brother owned half the house and got half the profit. My parents owned the other half and decided to give some of their share to me and my other brother.

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ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:26

You could turn this to your advantage. Tell them that you're so glad they have deducted the 9k. Tell them that from now on, you will feel so relieved knowing that they did not pay for that course, YOU did, and that any guilt or regret or doubts about the wisdom of doing the course in the first place are officially only YOUR problem.

Smile serenely and sigh. Then look at them and say serenely that now you can draw a line under it.

Even though I don't think they were trying to teach you any lessons about money, I think that they'd respect you for that.

It would also clarify (just to be crystal clear) that they can no longer even inadvertently make you feel bad about that "wasted" money, seeing as how it was ultimately you that paid the price.

ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:28

Sorry that 2nd serene should have been sincere. I am feeling a bit serene myself with the chilean sauvignon blanc

Journey · 16/05/2008 20:31

What is your current job?

themoon66 · 16/05/2008 20:32

You are getting eleven grand in your hand and you are whingeing? [puzzled]

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:32

lazarou falling out was probably the wrong phrase (as was angry in the thread title - I meant upset by). I would just find it very very hard to tell them that they'd upset me. I also have no idea how to go about it!

LoveMyGirls you're probably right

ElizabethBeresford you make a good point. In a way I am glad not to have the guilt of wasting their money hanging over me. It's just I feel like I failed them and to feel as though it was being confirmed, especially so many years later when there's sod all I can do about it and when I would have thought they could see that, even if it wasn't a great choice, it wasn't a catastrophic one.

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Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:33

it seems that your mum and dad have been keeping a tally over the years of all the things you have cocked up, doesn't it? your flat deposit, your course...

and they offered to pay your course fees, you were already self funding. Am I getting this right?

I can see being angry and feeling pissed off. I don't think you are being bratty, it must feel as if someone is keeping a tally in their head. You did not ask for the course fee money, so being made to feel as if you were wasting it must sting

as must feeling like they would have been more satisfied with you being miserable and finishing the course as long as their 'investment' in your training was being sensibly made

I think if I were you, and if I've got your pov right, I would not be happy taking another £11,000 off them if you thought they were going to watch what you did with it and think you should do something better. If you are happy that the £11,000 comes with no strings then fair enough; if they are proud of what you are doing now, go for it

but if you think they will be critically watching the progress of their latest donation to you then I'd probably give it back. And I am not rich, I could bloody well do with £11,000. But my granny told me that if anyone told her what to do with a present she would give it back, because that wasn't a present. Make sure they don't treat this time like the others - if they do then I would want to make a 'stand on my own 2 feet thanks' kind of stand, even if it did leave me out of pocket

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:34

I work as a typist in a large law firm.

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alicet · 16/05/2008 20:34

YAB completely U. Only read OP and first few replies though so apologise if you've realised this in the meantime... If not I suggest you read back through your OP. Basically your parents have given you a MASSIVE amount of cash and really helped you out over the years. Now they're giving you 11K but you feel pissed off they're not giveing you more. Basically. AND they are deducting moeny given to your other brother in the same way so they are clearly NOT punishing you for not finishing the training. Stop fixating on this and get over it. Thank your parents for their incredibly generous gift. They don't have to give you a penny, neither did they have to over the years - they CHOSE to help you out. Stop wingeing and be grateful.

Yes, you are a spoilt brat.

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:39

Thank you Cappuccino that's exactly it. Though tbh I don't even know whether they're keeping tally of all the ways I've cocked up or whether I am and just projecting on it to them.

Financial largesse aside, they are wonderful people and I love them to bits. I guess that's why this is upsetting me so much.

Perhaps I should just stop accepting money from them, though tbh I think that would upset them a lot! Their POV is that they don't need it, so they might as well pass it to their kids now. I'm also PG with their first grandchild, so I would imagine they would want to make some sort of financial contribution for him or her - should I make my child do without?

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Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:40

no not at all

they can bang it in a child trust fund

moondog · 16/05/2008 20:43

And now you are assuming more cash on its way for your kid??

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:44

Well, if I gave anyone, including my own children thousands of pounds that they 'forgot all about', I expect I would remember. I'd have to be a Russian oligarch not to remember shelling out thousands of pounds! It's hardly 'throwing it in your face' to say, well, we treat our kids equally. Why should you get so much more than your siblings? Your brother made a success of his gift, you didn't make such a success of yours - so what? You chose to accept their money over and over again.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I speak as someone whose parents were far too poor ever to give me anything at all - even in their will - and I never expected anything, so I do think you come across as dreadfully spoilt. 11K is a huge amount of money. Why not donate a bit to the victims of the cyclone who have nothing and feel really good about yourself?

NotABanana · 16/05/2008 20:44

Your child - you provide for them. Jeez.

Journey · 16/05/2008 20:45

Is the money signalling "failure" to you, or in other words do you think if you were working as a lawyer you would have got the £20K?

I'm impressed you're using both your English and law degree in your current role. Well done.

Youcannotbeserious · 16/05/2008 20:47

As long as you remember that they can no longer tell you when or how they feel you've cocked up, then that's great.

I do appreciate where you are coming from - my parents are forever offering me money, but it often comes with strings attached which I am no longer prepared to deal with. So, I have to also deal with the fact it is thier money and they don't have to give it to me, if they don't want to.

Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:48

oh come on everybody

not everyone's parents have money to give and not everyone's parents decide to

Yes most of us don't have these dilemmas. But this is Rainy's situation and being made to feel bad about having comfortably-off parents isn't going to help

Vivace · 16/05/2008 20:50

I'd have more sympathy if it was your brother posting saying...

My brother and sister have had thousands and thousands of pounds given to them by my very generous and supportive parents. A while ago they gave me the same amount of money as they gave my sister to do lots of courses she didn't finish and to pay a flat deposti she never paid them back in order to fulfil my own ambition to go into property developing. I worked like a dog at it,and because of that it was a success and I have now made a profit, which I split with my parents because of their investment. Now I've found out they are giving their share of the profits to my brother and sister who didn't do a stroke of work or invest a single penny of their own money in the venture. That's money that could have gone into the pot for their care when they are older. I feel this is wrong.

Cappuccino · 16/05/2008 20:50

cannotbeserious that is exactly it - the strings attached

I don't know if I've got it right but parents can use money in this way to continue to have a controlling stake in their child's life, after the apron strings should have been cut

and who is really in a position to turn it down without qualms?

spicemonster · 16/05/2008 20:50

I think if you've grown up with parents who pay for things (and you accept them) then it must come as a bit of a shock to find they keep a tally. My parents have given me gifts over the years but I know that those will come off my 'total' at the end of the day and that when they die, I will inherit less than my sisters (I am a single parent, they both have well-paid husbands). I suppose it's a bit of a shock to find out that they've been doing the same and you weren't aware of it.

Do you think that your brothers would be resentful if your parents had written off the money they had paid for your course? Would you have been resentful if one of your brothers had been in your situation and been given 20k?

I think some people here are being a bit overly harsh on you btw - some people's parents have money, others don't. Saying you shouldn't ever be upset if things seem unfair is akin to never moaning about food because there are starving people in the world. Pointless comparison IMO.

HonoriaGlossop · 16/05/2008 20:51

did your parents know just how desperately unhappy you were at that time that you gave up your training post?

I failed a course many years ago that my parents funded (not to the tune of so much as you but they were ill able to afford it) and not once, ever, in a million years, would they EVER consider 'deducting' that money from any money they were to give me. It would not cross their minds, because they know I took some money from them for the course in the best of faith, and did my best at the time. and they know how awful I felt. And I apologised, through tears, for 'wasting' their money but they wouldn't hear it.

I don't think YABU

I think your parents have gone about things in a way that shows they do somehow even if subconsciously, want to 'punish' you for giving up. That's what makes me think somehow that maybe they didn't realise how bad it was for you - and perhaps they feel you weren't aware enough that it was their money you used?

petetong · 16/05/2008 20:51

You must not feel upset in any way. Some of us start things when we are young with generally alturistic (sp) ideals, but sometimes they just don't work out. It seems to me that you had all best intentions, but couldnt, not woudn't, follow them through. I have parents who have remembered buying sore throat sweets for my kids and demanding the money back. Sometimes what we think is a gift just isn't.

Confidentialnamechanger · 16/05/2008 20:51

They are probably trying to be fair to your brother as a lot of the stuff they have done for you is when you were an adult

I can see why you're miffed though.

There's a lot of threads about favouritism on mumsnet so it's probably they're just trying to be whatever 'fair'is to them

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