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... being angry with my parents?

212 replies

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 19:40

Spoilt brat alert

My parents are fairly comfortably off, especially now that my dad has retired (mum is SAHM) and they have few outgoings, and have always been extremely generous with money.

A few years ago now, I set about becoming a lawyer. I already had an English degree (which they supported me through), so this meant doing a conversion course (one year), a further one year course, and then two years in a training contract before qualifying as a solicitor. I set about funding this myself, partly through working during university holidays and partly through a bank loan. Because I wanted to be a legal aid lawyer, this meant I had to cover all my course fees and living costs myself (if you have a training contract with a big rich firm then they will generally pay your fees and give you some money towards living costs).

In case it isn't clear from the above, there was a gap of several years between finishing my first degree and starting my course where I was working and supporting myself - I didn't do them back to back.

I did the first course in London and after a while, as my parents knew I was struggling, they offered to pay my rent (£250 a month), which was a huge help. For the second course, I ended up moving back home to live with them - which was fab

When I moved back home, my dad offered to pay my course fees, both for the upcoming year and for the year that I had already done/paid for. I was extremely grateful for this, as you might imagine.

Skip forward a couple of years. Halfway through my two-year training contract, I decided that there was no point me finishing it. I was desperately unhappy - crying most evenings and calling Samaritans a couple of times from work. I found the work utterly depressing. In case it isn't already obvious from the previous two sentences nor did I seem particularly good at it; I'd gone into Legal Aid because I wanted to help people and instead I was just floundering. Finally, my salary was so low that it cost me slightly more to live and work in London than I was getting paid - so I was effectively paying to go to work. I felt there was no point carrying on and left my job. I still consider it one of the best things I ever did.

My parents were extremely upset and angry that I didn't complete my training contract - not because they wanted me to be a lawyer (my mum has said she didn't think I was suited to it) but because they thought I should stick with it. My mum in particular thinks that completeing my training contract would have given me more opportunities, whereas in fact it would, as far as I know, have qualified me for nothing except being a solicitor, which I didn't want to be. I hate upsetting and disappointing them but couldn't face another year of hell just to please them.

Over the next few years, my mum occasionally complained about the fact that I hadn't finished my contract and that I had wasted their money, which really upset me but I bit my tongue because I hate conflict, particularly with them.

Skip forward another couple of years. My DB and his wife bought a house with my parents' help, renovated it and sold it a few months ago for an enormous profit. Because my parents had helped them out and they wouldn't have been able to buy it otherwise, my parents promised to give me and my other brother each £20,000 out of their share of the proceeds. Yay - again I was very grateful for this.

They have recently told me that they've decided to take out of that £20,000 all the money they've given me over the past few years (and the same for my brother too). This means that, less the course fees they paid, it's now something like £11,000.

The main thing that upsets me about this is not that I've "lost" £9,000 (because obviously I haven't lost anything at all - on the contrary, I'm being given a huge sum of money!) but I feel like I'm being punished for not completing my contract. I am sure that, if I'd finished it, it would never have occurred to them to take the money back again.

It also upsets me that a few years ago they gave me a gift and now they've taken it back off me again.

Finally, £1,000 of the money they've claimed back comes from a deposit they paid on the first flat a friend and I rented in 1997. When we moved out, the landlady ripped us off so we didn't have the money to pay back to them and we eventually forgot that we owed it at all (I am mortified about this ). However, they only suddenly started mentioning it about a year ago. Now they've said that they've taken the whole £1,000 off me and if I want my friend's share then I'll have to ask her for it. Which is kind of fair enough but I am too embarrassed to mention it after 11 years and it upsets me that they've effectively passed her debt on to me because they're too embarrassed to ask about it either.

I'm sorry this is so long I feel (marginally) better for purging. On the one hand I feel like I'm being a spoiled bitch because, ffs, someone's giving me £11,000, but on the other I feel like I'm being unfairly punished and it really really upsets me

DH says I should just let it go. I would love to let it go - but how?

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scottishmummy · 16/05/2008 20:04

we have not had a scrap in ages it's all mwaw mwaw from me.this OP is risible and so egocentric

Upsidedowncake · 16/05/2008 20:04

I can understand why you're upset - it seems to me that it's not about the money, it's your expectations and feelings of betrayal. Particularly as you didn't feel very good about giving up your training contract at the time.

Can you try and focus on feeling fortunate about the money?

Everyone else, stop being so mean to the OP!

LoveMyGirls · 16/05/2008 20:04

The main thing is, do you feel better for getting it off your chest?

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:04

ElizabethBeresford I finished the course - in fact I finished two courses. I still have both those qualifications (and they have helped me get my current job). I just don't didn't finish a contract that would have led to me being qualified as a solicitor.

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2point4kids · 16/05/2008 20:05

grow up

LIZS · 16/05/2008 20:05

but they're not throwing it back. Presumably they are justifying why there may be a difference between the amount given to each child rather than in equal amounts.

smoggie · 16/05/2008 20:07

Sorry, but I think you will have guessed by now what the majority of people are going to say - YABU, you are being v spoiled and should really count your blessings that your parents have been in a position to help you out so much over the years. Mine unfortunately were not, however I think it has made me much more self reliant and appreciative of things once I earn them.
As for being "too embarrased to ask for the £500 deposit back" from your friend from 11 years ago - seriously, you are being given £11,000 and you would consider asking for this £500 back from a friend even though you had both forgotten about it so easily when it was owed to someone else, but suddenly now it is owed to you, it's a big deal.
Sorry, but I'm afraid you need to get over yourself, realise what supportive parents you've had and be EXTREMELY grateful for the fact that they decided to give you any money at all from the proceeds of the house sale.
I don't think they're punishing you at all, they've probably realised that they need to make you appreciate the value of the financial support they've provided over the years, otherwise you would probably continue to expect similar support in the future.

lazarou · 16/05/2008 20:08

RW, you should be talking to your parents. You won't get any benefit from posting on here, especially if you are in a fragile state.
Many people don't get the kind of financial support you have had, and that's why it pisses people off. So, sign off and go and talk to your mum.

TheProvincialLady · 16/05/2008 20:08

I can sort of see why you would be upset by your parents if you think that they would have given you the full amount if you had completed your training (though you don't know that).

BUT it is their money, their choice. It seems to me that you should accept their extremely generous gift with good grace and thanks, and then think about how you can manage the rest of your life without their money or approval. I know lots of people whose parents are rich and generous and many of them are unhappy because they have a sense of entitlement and no sense of direction.

ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:09

PS, don't get too hung up on not finishing the course. It would have been wrong for you and you know that and your parents know that too, and they were supportive of your decision.

Would you not have started the course if at the time they had said 'years down the line, the price of this course will be deducted from the sum of money we give you'.

You thought it was a gift. Perhaps they think you were a little cavalier starting the course. PerHAPS they suspected it wasn't for you but funded it anyway like the good parents they are??

I would love if my parents could give me ANY money. My parents have said that when they 'go' they will leave the house to both their children (even though one is very wealthy and the other is not). They were warning me I think. I said that was absolutely FINE. THE last thing on earth I'd want would be to lose my brother squabbling for a bigger share!

So, if your parents had given you the full 20, would your brother feel a bit put out???

AS pps have said, let it ALL go!!! the flatmate, the deposit, MOST OF ALL THE COURSE! AND JUST be deleriously grateful that you have 11,000 pounds. Sorry if that sounds a bit snippy.

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:09

Thanks Upsidedowncake. Giving up my contract was one of the hardest decisions I've ever made, but I'm still glad I made it. I do partly feel like a failure for not being able to complete it, so I think it's upsetting me having that failure flung in my face by the two people in the world I'd most want to please

The reception is about what I would have expected. I wonder if I'd left the money out of it, and just said that my parents keep bringing up a decision that I'd made five years ago, if I would have got different responses. Or if I'd said they'd paid the course fees and now wanted them back, and not mentioned the extra £11k.

Lovemygirls I don't know. I'm a bit stressed and shaky tbh - probably not wise at five months' PG! Presumably there's no chance of me getting it deleted until Monday now either.

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ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:10

Sorry, you finished the course, you just didn't pursue it. I get it now. My cousin is a barrister now at 38. It seems to be that she has been struggling since she was 21.

noozes247 · 16/05/2008 20:11

Hi Rainy....your dilemna is quite a tricky one, imo...Similar stuff in my family, if that's of any help at all - which has led me to conclude that when gifting something, it needs clearly to be 'gifted', ie without expectations / conditions, and quite clear that it is a 'gift' not loan & / conditions / terms attached, (as otherwise therein lies a potential can of worms, unless the gift is made at the time with relevant stipulations etc which invariably doesn't happen - life ain't like that, and you may not have accepted it under such circumstances!)...Don't think the £500 owed by your flatmate yonks ago should be thrown at you at this late stage - they should have raised it with her at the time (cop out / not fair and I agree too late to ask her now!!). Would you not be able to mention the latter to them 'nicely'...You don't want to appear ungrateful but my Dad apparently did similar sort of thing to my sis and BIL and it all became quite difficult, and altho' I'm sure he had good intentions, they ended up feeling resentful. All came to light after he'd died, and my Mum confused / I felt caught in the middle. Think you should voice that you're really eternally grateful for all their help (financial / emotional / practical) so far, but that you feel 'punished' for being unable to complete your studies (which probably is the crux of it all - the money's less of an issue, probably?); is that their intention? Maybe they've just not thought it through or don't appreciate how this is making you feel, or they feel they have to be fair to the 3 (?) siblings...IMO all best aired (in reasoned / measured manner - no accusations!) while you have the chance - try not to let if fester. Better go do my IVF shots - yukk!! Hope all sorts self out - just try to talk it thru' with them, not losing sight of / letting them know how you value all their support to date! Hope of help!! Noozes247

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:13

My brother and I aren't squabbling over shares - I have no idea how much they're giving him but it's not affected by what they give me and vice versa.

Just to be clear, I have worked full-time since leaving university 11 years ago, except when I was in full-time education, when I just worked during the holidays. I am not quite the idle rich!

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ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:14

"I do partly feel like a failure for not being able to complete it, so I think it's upsetting me having that failure flung in my face by the two people in the world I'd most want to please "

I think you should say this to your parents. If they told you that it was ONLY about money, and money being an exhaustable supply, then would you feel better?

You think this 9,000 deduction sends out a message?

I don't think there's a message in it. I just think they don't have a money tree in their garden!!

ColumboEtc · 16/05/2008 20:14

RW - perhaps your parents are doing it on principle to try to educate you about something they think you need some pointers on - personal responsibility etc. Not remembering that you owe them £500 for a deposit, not offering to pay them back for helping you out with course fees when you needed it, little things like that? Sorry, but it sounds like you have taken them for granted. And they are still giving you 11 grand? You're being completely unreasonable to be angry with them.

blueshoes · 16/05/2008 20:15

RainyWed, your parents are very fair and even-handed in their treatment of you and your siblings in relation to handouts.

It is called hotchpot. Assuming they intend to give equal amounts to all their children on their passing, all your parents are doing is taking into account lifetime gifts in addition to any bequests under the will.

Remember, you are getting the benefit of this as well. After all, you are getting a share of your DB's hard labour in developing a house bought with the help of your parents' money. Your parents did not have to insist your db divvy the profits, but they did. Be grateful.

You feel bad because you feel like your parents are penalising you for not finishing your training contract and not claiming back the rental deposit. But could it be that they would have deducted the cost of funding your course anyway, even if you completed it?

Tbh, I cannot for the life of me imagine why you cannot just rough it out for an extra year to finish a training contract or could 'forget' to claim back £1K. I have very generous parents myself and finished an arduous legal training contract.

You are taking your parents' largess for granted. This is your wake up call.

littlepinkpixie · 16/05/2008 20:15

It sounds like your parents are trying to treat you and your brother equally?

kerala · 16/05/2008 20:15

Ask yourself if you would have given up the training contract had you funded it yourself via loans for example?

A friend hated her tc so much she marked off the days on her calendar. But because she had got herself deep in debt to get to that point she stuck it out and on qualification moved to a job as a lawyer in a different type of firm (in fact working for the government) which was more suited to her skills and personality.

Am abit grrr though but then I had to fund my own way through the same system and my training contract was worse than yours! My boss turned out to be a crooked lawyer and I was interviewed by the fraud squad and nearly ended up in very hot water. But hey ho qualified in the end.

And cant help but think those that have mummy and daddy's financial support never feel that true achievement of having got where you are in life via your own merits. But probaly saying that to make myself less jealous!

ElizabethBeresford · 16/05/2008 20:15

I'm sure they're proud of your brains, and your current path and most of all glad that you ended up HAPPY.

I don't think you're a spoilt brat. I think you're upset about what you think the 11,000 means. If you'd been given 20,000 you wouldn't have seen any hidden message in there. But you see a hidden message in the figure of 11,000.

DontlookatmeImshy · 16/05/2008 20:17

Agree with Upsidedown

I think the issue here isn't necessarily about the money itself. It more about the promise that was taken back. I had a similar things with my parents once - couldn't care less about the money itself, didn't need it - but was upset by the promise that was broken

lazarou · 16/05/2008 20:18

EB is right. I think probably being pregnant is making you a little more emotional. Anyway, again, talk to your mum.

RainyWednesday · 16/05/2008 20:18

Thank you noozes Tbh it did upset me that my mum seemed to think that by paying my fees it meant she could criticise my decision but in a way I suppose it did - although it seemed unfair to impose conditions after the fact. I guess now at least they can't criticise me for wasting their money any more Tbh I think my mum just gets a bee in her bonnet about stuff and doesn't realise how much it upsets me and it upsets me too much to mention it!

lazarou you're right, I should be talking to them but the thought upsets me too much - this is marginally less upsetting. Squabbling with/being criticised by MNers who I don't know over the internet is less emotionally gruelling than falling out with my mum and dad!

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chrissnow · 16/05/2008 20:19

I always try to see the good. . . . however.
Your parents gave you funds to educate you, train you and better your life. You did well (I assume) in your first degree but chose to go further? It didn't work out. Fair enough sometimes things don't.
They gave your brother the same opportunity. He put his money in something different. He was fortunate and made money back. He was generous enough to repay your parents for their part/help in his success (can you honestly hand on heart say you would have done the same if your legal career had taken off?) Your parents then choose to split your brother's profits between you and your brother? I think this is the height of generosity here. They had a certain feeling of debt in some way, I imagine, to support your education BUT the £20,000/£11,000 is a pure no strings gift. You reneged on your part of the deal ref. educational/training funds so it is only fair that they have that money back. It is fair that your brother gets more money in this case. For your own sanity let this go. You are very lucky. However, I can sympathise more with the feelings of disappointment and constant comments of you letting them down. Maybe you could discuss this. Say you've paid your dues (£9K) let that be the past in the past. Now work at letting it go, being a mature adult and working your ass off to make you and your parents proud.

NotABanana · 16/05/2008 20:22

I'd be happy to have been given £11 by my parents ever in my life.