To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

How many violent male sex offenders in female prisons is ok then?

Personally, one is too many, but maybe you just don't care.

They're just a 12 year old child, surely? No need to make any assumptions at all.

I knew a girl many years ago who insisted she was a boy and wanted to wear boys' clothes and be called a boy's name. Her family, friends and teachers went along with her wishes, somewhat, but no one suggested that she actually was a boy. It was just a childhood phase. She eventually grew out of it, got married, had children and went on to live a normal life as a woman. This happened in the 1970s. Today she would be subjected to a double mastectomy and cross sex hormones, I'm sure.

Remember George in the Famous 5!!

How many cultural forced marriages are ok to actually get someone’s attention? I can assure you a lot more than trans in women’s jails women’s shelters or toilets , yet I can’t see any famous people spending money on it . Those are much more pressing issues than a minority of cases . IMO . Court case after court case , millions spend that could actually help women forced into marriage , raped hidden under cultural beliefs

That's some shitty whataboutery.

And you didn't answer the question

A castrated man is still a man, regardlessof the reason for his castration. Just like a woman who has had a mastectomy or a hysterectomy is still a woman. I think we'd should be addressing the sort of toxic genderism that tells sensitive gentle artistic boys that they must really be girls, and allows culture to become so porn-addled that neurodiverse young women feel they can only avoid becoming sex dolls by becoming men. The whole thing is utter bollocks.

Did you answer mine ? Because I would prefer to protect young girls from being raped and forced into marriages than criminals in jails ? So as an answer to your question None , but as we both know that is impossible as males will abuse women in jail anyway ( often those who work there more than trans ) but if I was to give priority with both causes than I would give it to the one saving most girls . There are more than 300 forced marriages often underage girls , forced into a life if submission and children born out if rape . But yes keep focusing on the 3 trans man cases that someone keeps mentioning

How can you begin to protect young girls if you cannot define what one is? How can you devise legislation, policies and programmes in schools and communities if you cannot define ‘young girls’?

They are co-dependent. The whataboutery - and the deliberate obtuseness - here is mind-boggling.

I’ve seen so many posts from people who say they know some transwomen and they’re okay and so it’s fine for them all to use our bathrooms.

It’s like saying I know my DH would never interfere with a child so all men should have access to children alone.
I know lots of kind, nice blokes who would never harm a fly, it’s all irrelevant.

I don’t care if they are nice or not harmful or they’ve had their dick cut off. They are men, they make me feel uncomfortable and vulnerable, thats reason enough.

'prisons, rape shelters, sports'

'Yes because the less than 1% of trans women will be massive issue on those things'

And this is where you are quite misinformed.

The small number of male people who access the single sex provisions that you have dismissed here DO present a massive issue. Because even a few males included in these provisions represents a larger % in those accessing those provisions than they do in the total population.

And the inclusion of just a few male people in that provision causes a large number of female people to be harmed.

And you know, of course, that feminists are still campaigning for all those other things that you mention. Do you not also think, though, that clarifying single sex provision also directly impacts education? Do you not think that it also directly impacts female people's employment opportunities and provisions?

They already have our attention though. And feminists are working within the cultural communities.

And gosh.... wouldn't it have been wonderful that women did not have spend money on these cases? That a decade or more ago when women raised the alarms that they were not abused and shamed and silenced? That people took notice and acted then?

Maybe you should be directing your ire at all those who refused to listen to women and girl who were trying to get quick and effective solutions to suit their needs?

You can focus on multiple things at the same time.

But what you're saying here is just a way of telling women that they don't matter. Their sport doesn't matter. Their safety in jail doesn't matter. Their safe spaces away from men after they've been raped doesn't matter. Or at least, not when men want access to these things.

Thankfully many people (and now the law) don't agree with you.

Yes. This is what this line of posting shows. that the needs of those women in prison, who need rape / homeless / DV support, and who play sport don't matter enough to have attention until the priorities of that poster have been addressed fully.

The question that always rises in my mind is 'when will be acceptable for the needs of women in prison / shelters and support groups / in sport matter enough that their needs can be addressed'?

The Women's Organisation I'm a member of campaigns on all sorts of issues. CSA..Safevuarding.Grooming gangs, Afghan Women, Education and so on. Not just trans issues and single sex spaces

Telling women what we should and shouldn't care about isn't OK. Owen Jones and others on X have been doing similar today. It comes across as having run out of arguments so try this route instead. It is the equivalent of "why spend money on culture when we could be spending it on the NHS". It's not a serious position. It is deflecting and trying to make people look small and trivial and having to justify themselves. Not ok.

She's no threat to me or any woman (because she has had penis removal surgery)

I commented because of the part in bold of your comment.
I understand there can be conflicting feelings when people know someone trans who is lovely.
I wish decent trans people would know and understand the the vast majority of people that want them excluded from SSS don't hate them or think they are all predators. We just need certain spaces free of any type of man.

Just listening to interviews with Joanna Cherry, Helen Joyce and Sharron Davies. Bloody marvellous women calmly talking sense amongst the media madness.

You're right and I hold my hands up to that comment, GreenTomatoes. I don't know that they're a lovely person either, they're just like any number of women that I pass the time of day with in the changing room or pool.

I do wonder what will become of her because it's clear that she can't be in the women's changing room, end of? Not our problem to solve though.

Why do you think that someone who has had surgery is no longer a man though? What have you read or heard that has led you to form that opinion, if you don't mind me asking?

I don't know whether this thread was started in good faith

It was. I really do not know any trans people.

I guess until the pool offers a unisex space they'll have to find another one that does. Or use a cubicle in the mens.
I had to stop going to my leisure centre because TW were using the womens and it made me very uncomfortable so it's hard for me to have any sympathy.

fundamentally disagree!

They got a country’s government to represent their interests in the highest court in the land., against 3 women.

They are not vulnerable, or marginalised, or silenced. People accepted wholesale an incorrect understanding of the law to benefit them, and disadvantage women.

They are the patriarchy.

My kids are young adults so I know a few trans people through them, plus they are a couple of trans women in the office. It's more common among younger people and less of a big deal for them.

I agree that this isn't impacting our lives. Nothing these people do impacts my life negatively. In fact we now have banks of single cubicle toilets at work, which are brilliant and much better than the shared ladies or gents.