Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

Did you read the post from @NeedASafeSpace?
There is NOTHING transphobic about wanting safe spaces for women .
You’re the unreasonable one

Why? Because people want women to have protected spaces away from men?

They’re women so they’d be using the right loo.

Also none of them pass, no matter how much chin fluff they grow

I totally accept trans people for who they are. I firmly believe that people of either sex should wear what they like, live as they please, sleep with whoever they are attracted to. And that they should live their lives free of discrimination and people being mean to them.

You can believe all of that but still don't accept that people can change sex or that someone like Lia Thomas has any place in women's sport.

Understanding that sex matters in some circumstances, such as sport and single sex spaces, does not make somebody transphobic.

Transmen are welcome in women’s single sex spaces because they are female.

What I’m curious is about why you don’t care that women are put at vastly increased risk by having men in their spaces. Knowing that 99% of sex offenders are male and women are 14 times more likely to be sexually assaulted in mixed sex changing facilities than they are in single sex spaces, how is it that you think it’s ok for more women to be assaulted if men’s feelings are catered to? Why are men’s feelings more important than women’s safety to you?

This thread is an outstanding example of why women need respect as their own immutable sex class, entitled to safety, dignity & privacy in single sex spaces apart from ANY male whatever their perceived/actual/existing/non-existing/changing/non-changing/fetishy/non-fetishy/sincerely believed/put on that day SUBJECTIVE 'gender identity' might be. I fully support private spaces, sports, refuges for trans women, they need to get on and set them up. Women are not support people for non-stereotypical men.

Love to see some of your faces if any of my trans men friends joined the same queue as you for the women's loo.

Not sure there would be much to report there, sorry to disappoint you. Trans men are biological women, so like all biological women they are welcome to use ‘the women’s loo’.

So apparently transphobe = saying no to male entitlement

Is anyone asking men to make single sex male facilities safer and more welcoming to transwomen?

This isn’t women’s issue to solve - we’re not on the planet to be human shields for gender non confirming men.

Nothing has changed for transpeople legally though. They still have the same rights as before.

Women are called haters whenever they push back on men’s demands

The thing is, women are very used to keeping their opinions to themselves in certain situations. I would never in a million years challenge someone in a public toilet who I thought was male as I would feel too vulnerable and unsafe. I’d just likely walk out. I’ve met a fair few make identifying women, I can always tell.

Same.
In a toilet.... well we have probably already done our business anyway.
In a support group... you are wanting me to talk about trauma that is specific to women... and you have a penis. No. Just no.

This.

I just want reassurance that trans people will be treated with kindness and fairness, and this won't be used to cause division and hurt

Will you expect trans women to extend the same courtesy to women?

Really, it's just "who they are."

Are you trying to sound posh or something?

Yes, I would expect everyone to treat each other with kindness and understanding. Obviously there will be some people that won't, whether trans or not.

To be honest, I'd rather be known as a 'walking vagina' than a 'chest feeder'... 😏

I would. I have perhaps focused my message more towards ensuring kindness towards trans people here, but of course I expect everyone to treat each other with kindness, understanding and respect.

Of course there will be individuals from all backgrounds that may not be kind or respectful of others. That's not ok, but that is a problem with individuals, not a community

I’d say that’s more the fault of men being so keen to be in our toilets rather then women hoping to avoid them.

Can you point to where in the Supreme Court ruling they included a definition of women as ‘walking vaginas’? I must have missed that.

Penguinmouse, I think this is a stretch.

TRA / MRA Charlie Craggs was espousing similar on X earlier. I paraphrase: 'The ruling will backfire on butch lesbians, women undergoing chemo and women from 'other cultures' whose bodies "don't conform to Western beauty ideals" who want to use women's facilities'.

The utter misogyny dripping from CC's statement is shocking: CC clearly thinks that women don't innately recognise each other as women, but rather require a narrow set of visual markers and prerequisites to base their assessment on.

CC thinks that butch lesbians may be unrecognisable as women -the many women who love butch lesbians don't have that problem, luckily. No butch lesbian I've known has ever been challenged in women's toilets, because women tend to know another woman when they're with one.

CC also thinks that women without hair may be unrecognisable as women because we all know real women have lovely swishy tresses.

CC thinks that women 'from other cultures' (wtaf!?) may be unrecognisable as women because... well, why exactly, CC? It's so racist I don't know where to fucking start.

There will be no backlash in loos and changing rooms for any XX women; they've all always been using the ladies' without issue. Any predicted problems are dreamed up by TRAs.

It would be nice if trans people could start by treating others with kindness and fairness as opposed to current levels of behaviour which include raising violent baying mobs to shut down women’s meetings and hound women out of their jobs.

We’ve been kind and fair to them for years and look where it’s got us.

Most trans people do. Of course you get some people who don't whether trans or not, it's those individual people are the problem, not the communities they may claim to represent

Perhaps look to the trans side for this kindness? Because it's been lacking toward women for centuries.

We matter.

Better to sound posh than be a pedantic twat!