Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

Far less regularly than you think, I’d wager.

Absolutely this. Trans people haven’t lost any rights, but women have won back hard-won rights that were fought for for years.

OP, when women are forced into mixed-sex changing facilities, they are 14 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than they are in single-sex spaces. 99% of sex offenders are male. This is why ALL males, regardless of how they identify, need to stay out of women’s spaces.

If you are advocating for transwomen- who are male - to access women’s single sex spaces, you are saying you are happy for lots more women to be raped than would be otherwise. Why would you advocate for that? Please explain.

Also, feminists centre females. Anybody who includes males in their advocacy is not a feminist. Males are the oppressor class, they have enjoyed extra privileges annd dominance over women for millennia. They do not need handmaidens in fawn-mode to speak up for them.

NC for this.
I have crippling MH issues and attend a few support groups. One of them is for women with MH issues.
I have only been going or about 6 months, and in that time we have had trans women come.
We talk about things like rape, trauma and all that comes with it (think smear tests). Just last month, a middle aged man, complete with beer gut and beard came along to our women's group. He said he was non-binary. That day, he was a woman. He was allowed to stay. No one spoke that day.
Another time, another non-binary person came along. Beard, man build etc. But glittery eyeshadow and lipstick. They were also a "woman" for that session.

It is so much more that toilets and prisons. It is things like support groups. I can't get my head around an actual man nodding his head to our smear test and rape experiences when he has never and will never experience them.
"Real" women get their voice closed down, and we can't express them without being called transphobic.
I am not transphobic. I don't know anyone who is. We just want to preserve our safe spaces.

Just think, you butch lesbian friend can now be attracted to and have relationships with biological women rather than being called a bigot for rejecting men in frocks.

My butch lesbian sister doesn’t want to share women’s safe spaces with men either, so welcomes the judgement.

I just dont get this post. So many of us are inclusive, tolerant and accept people for who they are. I 100% accept trans women, woild always use preferred names, pronouns or whatever but I accept trans women as trans women as that is what they are.

Trans rights should be there as should womens rights, they are not the same and never should be.

This is such utter utter bollocks.

Women in toilets aren't ganging up on big butch women and chucking them out, and the fact that Eddie Izzard thinks we are going to buy that he was bullied by teenage girls is ridiculous.

I've been mistaken for a man twice in the last few months. Once by a famous comedian no less.

I also have a previous experience of being mistaken for a man in a women's toilet when in my full construction gear. The not at all aggressive lady said, excuse me this is the ladies. I looked up, smiled and started to say I am a lady, but she had already said, "oh sorry love".

No feelings were hurt, plain androgynous women like me know what we look like. She was just trying to alert me to being in the wrong place.

It was all very uneventful.

There aren't going to be gangs of lippy wielding, high heel wearing women picking on women like me and stopping them from peeing.

Exactly this. No one I know is transphobic, at a sports club I am involved in the mens team has been massively welcoming to a man who has played for them for years is now a trans woman, they have just carried on as normal and no one treats them negatively in anyway, they aren't allowed to play in the ladies team but occasionally play for the men or just help out scoring/refereeing. Not one person has said anything bad to her in anyway.

I honestly cannot understand how people don't understand all the things you have listed as being an issue, how in any way could it make someone transphobic for finding those things unacceptable.

Sorry "transwomen" but id rather send my love and toast to my fellow real women

Wise up op. Fluttery male apologist claptrap.
Gary isn’t allowed to get his penis out for a piss in the women’s loo anymore, so get over it.

I'm saving all my love for the women and girls who having had their rights taken away, have now got them back. Way to go FWS!! 🍾❤

Just because something hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s not “utter bollocks”

I’m glad you’ve not been harassed in toilets and I hope you continue not to be. Doesn’t make other people’s concerns any less valid. Not all biological women are cheering this ruling.

A lot of lesbians and gay men are pleased about the judgement. The trans movement has absolutely decimated the lesbian scene, because we had males identifying as lesbians insisting that we had to include them. Now we can tell them to sod off without the worry of being closed down or sued.

Sending love to Sandie because she got punished for not wanting to be naked in front of a male coworker.
Sending love to Maya who got fired for stating the obvious. Love to all women who experienced the same.
Sending love to J.K. who got slandered and recieved death threats for not agreeing to lie about biological facts and for pointing out the dehumanizing way some people had started talking about women.
Love to the inmates who got an extra punishment in form of rape when a transgender rapist got transferred to their prison.
Love to all the female inmates, female patients, and female employees who feared for their safety because they were forced to share their private spaces with transwomen who clearly used them as props in their immersive sexualized roleplay.
Love to all the lesbians who lost their clubs, dating apps, and bars because they got invaded by transwomen bleating about their girl dicks and how they are oh so much more feminine than actual women, and who aggressively demanded to be desired by the lesbians.
Love to the female survivors of sexual abuse who had to stop group therapy because the therapy groups got invaded by men in dresses who clearly got off on hearing about the abuse.
Love to the women with endometrioses who had to stop group therapy because the therapy group got invaded by transwomen who clearly got off on being in the group.
Love to the women who couldn't get support with their breastfeeding because the breastfeeding groups got invaded by transwomen who clearly got off on participating in the group.
Love to the girl guides and members of the WI who had to stop participating because transgirls or transwomen made them uncomfortable.
Love to all the transwidows who got gaslighted and abused by their former spouses who drained their mutual bank accounts to buy sparkly garments while their families went without.
Love to all the female athletes who lost trophies to cheaters.
Love to all the women who got threatened, slandered, and/or beaten for wanting to talk about the safekeeping of women and girls.
Love to all the women and girls who tried to fight back and defend the rights of women and girls.

“There aren't going to be gangs of lippy wielding, high heel wearing women picking on women like me and stopping them from peeing.“

No, but there has been quantities of lippy wielding, high heel wearing men wanking off and stealing used sanitary towels, and just generally performing aggressive and exaggerated “femininity” to intimidate women.

And a great deal more.
I am not sorry for men who think they are women, who have the same rights as they always have had. They have just been told NO.

Why? Nothing has changed. The only thing that's happened is that it's been clarified the word "woman" means "biological woman". That's it.

This thread is an outstanding example of why trans people need love and support right now.

Eh?

When will they stop adding to the LGBTQIA+ acronym? It's getting a bit crazy now. Surely the "+" on LGBT+ was for kind of a coverall.

They have their friends and families for love and support, I’m sure. I have no love for people I don’t know, and they still have the same protection from discrimination that the law affords to them, so they are also supported.

This thread is an outstanding example of some turkeys voting for Christmas.

what is very unreasonable is the number of transphobes on here.
Love to see some of your faces if any of my trans men friends joined the same queue as you for the women's loo.

Women’s rights are not yours to give away. I don’t want to share single sex spaces with anyone other than women thanks

Can I ask why you feel the need to send love? Nothing has been taken away from trans people

Sorry, but I don't want someone with a penis in my support groups where we talk about rape from people with penises.
I don't care that they say they are a "woman" now. They are not, and never will be. And they will never ever be able to relate to the experiences of the women in the groups they are infiltrating.