Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

Men aren't threatened by their rights being eroded by the inclusion of trans men in their spaces. Because they aren't. It doesn't matter if a transman does male sport because they'll lose.

Ah, I see your mistake.

Trans men are biological women.

You're trying to include women in the debate when actually this is all just about menz feelings and their rights. Trans men must only be mentioned if it helps to facilitate the argument that male bodies should enter women's spaces.

The trans community don't want to discuss the very real benefits this ruling brings to women who identify as men. Only the old-fashioned kind of men with penises and their rights actually matter.

Silly billy.

Also any bloke can put a frock on and say I’m a woman and thus magically be allowed in spaces he wouldn’t be - which is a sex offender’s dream and an insult to actual trans people and that is the huge issue with ‘self ID’ and respecting everyone who claims to be a woman without question because it’s ‘transphobic’

If you are going to make this accusation you should qoute where people have posted transphobic remarks. Otherwise I accuse you of chatting shite with zero substance.

Come on.

That’s great. And when you are the Supreme Ruler of the Known Universe (and Beyond) you will be in a position to enforce your views on us all and we will be powerless to stop you ( though we will try, very hard, to do so)

Until then , you make your choices and the rest of us will decide for ourselves.

what seems to be forgotten these people are human beings.

and so are women who are once again on the rough end of situation. Those who dared to stand up for themselves are insulted, receive death threats and violence. Body parts which are integral to a women's body were renamed and basically desexed by the health service. It was humiliating and incredibly disrespectful to women.

Sport - women having to compete with trans women who had a significant biological advantage as they went through male puberty.

And yes I do know a trans woman. Clever, articulate, friendly and every nuance of their body and behaviour is male.

I was permanently banned from r/ unitedkingdom for saying pretty much the same thing. Given the number of deletions on that thread there must have been several dozen people banned just from that thread 😅. Got to love reddit and its moderation "system".

Ok , but this is about men using women's spaces

No clitoris can become a penis.
George is perfectly welcome on my hospital ward, because George, despite any confusion she may be experiencing, is still a female. George does not suddenly inherit the male propensity for sexual assault or rape just because she falsely believes she’s a man.

See.... I'm so .... Muddled with my opinion on this.

I have no issue with true trans people.
Those with body dysmorphia.
I'm friends with someone who was born a boy, knew from about 5/6 that he didn't feel right. By 12 he knew that he was in the wrong body.
'He' has been an almost fully functional woman for the last 18 years and she looks like a woman. She's beautiful.
Happily married, gorgeous husband and home. The one thing missing from her life is having a baby.
Obviously when we met I had no idea she said as trans and was surprised when she told me. I'd have no problem going to the toilet with her and would even share the cubicle with her if required for whatever reason.

I sent her a YouTube video with some 'trans' people in America who were in court arguing their rights for this and that. Some of them didn't even look like men or women. They were just, out there?
I asked her what she thought of them and her reply was along the lines of, oh those trans. The ones who give us a bad name.

However.

A woman is someone who from birth has reproductive organs to be able to grow life (medical issues exempt) and have a baby.

So is my friend a woman?
She looks like one.
She has a vagina.

Obviously a man who is making himself look like a woman, but still has a beard and doesn't shave his legs/arms/chest/back etc should not be toileting in a female toilet.
But if he really wants to live like a woman and is not allowed in a female loo, what's the chances of him getting beaten up in a male loo??
If he's comfortable, is it that he HAS to shave the beard or should he stay confined to his home?

In terms of sports, biological born males should not compete with biological born females for the simple reason it could/would give the BM an advantage as they are 'generally' faster/stronger.

Not all trans people are perverse but there is large amount of them who are helping encourage kids to be trans and that's not ok.

I was with a friend yesterday and she was telling me of someone she knows who very much wanted a girl. Got a boy and basically he lives a girls life and she's done nothing but treat him like a girl since he was a baby. Pink everything. The child is fully ok with it because it's all they've known.

How fucked is that???

George is a woman OP.

i am quite happy to have George next to me in a ward with their beard and false appendage because they are female. I am not threatened by George regardless of how they present.

in excellent news for George they now have DOUBLE the protections in law as they are protected both by the characteristic of sex and that of gender reassignment.

Don’t be so daft.

Trans women don’t pass.

It’s more than ‘a few’ who are bad.

A working penis on a trans man? Really? Doesn’t mean the trans man will become more likely to rape because she is still a woman.

Women are entitled to their own spaces, sports and loos.

Think some more.

Yep,they make them with the ovaries

Surely in a hospital ( with all that science and biology and all those medical experts) fantasy and wishes and dreams have absolutely no place whatsoever. A man may wish to be a women but he isn't and never will be.
A vanishingly small number of transpeople have bottom surgery because it doesn't work and causes lifelong problems. If you are in the presence of a transwoman that person will still have a penis.

It’s not my problem to solve. I want a single sex space. If that doesn’t suit them then they are free to campaign for a third space. .

Looks like they grow the bollocks on chickens these days

That's nice dear.

Your friend sounds lovely but is still a biological man and doesn't have a vagina she has a fashioned version not a real one. The trouble is having to guess which biological man is dangerous and which isn't. There are plenty of trans in prison for sexual offences.

Stupid lawyers make biological women call them she, their sodding rapists raping with their female penises, which since they are men are real penises. It's difficult to tell which biological males are a danger so all biological males must not have access to female spaces.

Trans people need their own spaces.

A while ago I spent some time reading the r/ phallo subreddit because I wanted to know exactly what was involved, i.e to "educate myself". What I saw and read on there made me convinced that every doctor who takes advantage of their very vulnerable patients to perform a phalloplasty on them should be struck off. At least. I actually think they should face criminal charges. It has nothing to do with proper medical care.

Actually you make a good point about respect - we hear all the bleeding heart rhetoric about special men but we never hear about the outrageous DISRESPECT (and worse) that this ideology is to women.

No respect at all for the experience of women, who let’s not forget are still abused and used as a weapon of war around the world. Still groomed, killed and enslaved by violent men even in our own country. Our biological experience still waved away as if it’s nothing. Still paid significantly less and a myriad of other sex discrimination.

What makes trans women so much more valuable than actual women?

You really dont know anything about trans people do you.Do yourself a favour and do some research,you sound very immature.I have actually seen pictures of the gruesome results of such an operation.Why do you think trans men end up with most of their arm mutilated.

This is fact. They are very different organs.

I have male friends that are lovely. I'd happily share a toilet/changing room/ bed with them.

That doesn't mean I think other women should.

And also (not aimed at you necessarily) but can we stop talking about TW with beards as if that's what makes them male. As a woman with PCOS and a very hairy chin it's actually quite fucking upsetting.

Your friend is a man.

Your friend does not have a vagina, because your friend is a man

Men who have had extreme genital surgery have an internal pouch made from their inverted penis, it might act as a receptacle for sexual purposes, but it is not a vagina, does not self clean and has to be manually cleaned and kept open by dilation.

Women's rights to privacy and dignity aren't an insult to trans people. But it is important that people can have the right to single sex environments where it's appropriate. This includes rape victims being able to have support groups that don't include males (how ever they identify). Thus includes single sex change rooms where people will be in a state of u dress. In hospitals where people will be vulnerable and in a state of undress. In prisons where people are vulnerable and potentially alone with 1 other person in their cells, or undressed communal showers and changing rooms. These places are rightly sex segregated.

Trans people may need additional protections in some of those environments, some transwomen may not feel safe in male prisons, I would expect them to be protected, as I would expect for other vulnerable male prisoners, not to include them in the female estate. In hospitals a side room may cater for dignity of all.

But when there is a need for dignity and protection women shouldn't be expected to suck it up and suffer male people in a single sex environment.

Women's sport should also be single sex, bodies play sports and it is impossible to avoid male physical advantage. Transwomen should be welcomed within male sports. Transmen can play women's sports as long as they don't take testosterone or other performance enhancing drugs, just like any other female.

Wanting single sex spaces for women isn't mean or intolerant to trans people, we welcome transmen (women) in those spaces. I'd happily support trans people if they campaigned for a third space, but to date the insistence is they come into women's spaces and unfortunately it feels like that is not out of fear but for validation or gender euphoria (sexual excitement) reasons.

I don't dislike trans people but the TRA activists have been awful at times abusing women on social media and threatening and intimidating at events, so I'm less inclined to think well of people that are vocal allies now as I'm waiting for them to start becoming abusive and demanding.

I'm glad the law was clarified