Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

@HazelShark can you quote or even just explain what parts of the discussion have saddened you please? It’s helpful for us all to understand.

Correctly sexing a man isn’t transphobic. Try harder.

You said this thread was at least as bad. The fact that you think women saying transwomen are men is as bad as men going into detail about how they would like to rape and torture women ("TERFS"), makes your attitude towards disobedient women absolutely crystal clear. The purest misogyny.

What’s the difference between a man and a trans woman? Apart from a feeling? Transwomen are a class of men, they post the same risks.

At no point did i say they are equally as bad, i just said both are bad.

Just because my neighbour murders someone, doesnt mean its okay for me to beat him up

Is transphobic “Not pandering to the delusion that people can change sex?”.

Your contempt for women daring to have opinions you don't like is so extreme you'll stick to what you've said. Total misogyny.

The irony 😂😂😂😂

It’s not in relation to the “choice” question which I didn’t ask - I’m asking you, who has agreed with the OP, why I’m not 21, why I’m 40? I feel 21. I don’t look 21 but that’s by the by. The 18-30 holidays were the best time of my life. So why am I not 21?

Except transwomen are men. In every conceivable way.

Why is every person in the world obliged to go along with your religious belief? If Muslim people started trying to make all women wear hijabs, or if Jewish people started trying to force everyone to eat only kosher meat, there'd be outrage and nobody would agree to go along with it. Why are women obliged to share changing, showering, toileting, lesbian dating, sporting and rape crisis spaces with men just because those men believe their female feeling is equivalent to a female body?

Gay people never demanded that every single marriage space perform same sex marriage. They just asked to have the same rights in law for marriage and relationships, rightly. There are some religious communities that don't recognise or perform same sex marriage themselves, but they also don't try to stop gay people from getting married at all anywhere else, and everyone accepts this.

Your demands are Orwellian. You are trying to take options away and force everyone to adhere to your belief, which is provably false and patently absurd. You are allowed to have a false and absurd belief and you are allowed to create spaces that express it. But you do not have a right to insist that everyone else adhere to it and that women give up their equal opportunities, increase their trauma, abandon their faith or remove their clothes to prove their obedience. Honestly, how dare you?

You can say youre 21 if you like i dont mind? Ultimately it doesnt affect me at all

Is this to me? I dont want everyone to go along with my beliefs. Im pro make your own choices. Thats my whole thing.

OH my effing God. You just don’t get it do you? They’re BOTH men. Men! Men as a sex class commit most of the sexual and violent crime. Not all men of course. I’d vouch my DH is safe. So is my adult son. Maybe your trans friend. But men as a sex class are the biggest threat to women whether they wear a dress or not. The safest thing for women is to have single sex spaces that exclude ALL men. Even the ‘nice’ ones.

James O'Brien who thinks a bunch of feminists who have been campaigning on this issue for well over a decade have been duped by Trump?

Do people really think people are going to the effort of transitioning so they can attack women in public loos?

Perhaps you have only recently started paying attention to this issue, but there is no requirement to transition in any way to self identify as a woman.

Men have demonstrated that they will arrange their entire lives around getting access to victims, becoming tv presnters, teachers, sports coaches, joining the clergy - but according to police crime reports, no effort at all is required to claim a different gender. Not even full time commitment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14609809/Adult-baby-diaper-lover-dumping-soiled-nappies-nurseries.html

I don't know if you would describe this person as trans, but organisations such as Stonewall have shown no inclination to narrow the definition.

But does it make me 21? Can I hang out in under 21 clubs because I feel like it? Can I demand 19yo men date me otherwise they are bigots for not validating my identity.

What if I wanted to be 10 and go to school. Is that OK too?

What if I identified as a black woman? Can I do blackface, put on an accent and push my way into spaces for black people?

There are no cis women. Just women.

I'd go further - I think it would be horrific if any man felt any amount of societal pressure for chemical or surgical castration in order to be better "accepted".

How much #bekind-er to accept everyone exactly as they are, no genital mutilation or cross sex hormones necessary/preferred.

Unless it’s women making the choice to want their own safe spaces?

What would you say to Muslim or Orthodox Jewish women who literally can’t share a changing room for example with a trans woman (because they’re a man)? Who wins in this situation?

Then you will have no objection to women having their own spaces without men (and men having their own spaces too). That way, there is an option for everyone: the people who are prepared to pretend to believe that men are women, and the people who are not.

If you do not object to single sex spaces, and you are in favour of people having a choice of options rather than having them all reduced to one, then you won't be worried about yesterday's ruling. You will welcome it as the protection of honesty, fairness, liberty and personal choice that it is.

I do wonder what happens if trans men now have to use female-only spaces in public. Will they get harassed to prove they are female in the toilets etc? Will women that look more masculine in structure than others be accused of breaking the law and being trans women? I don't know what happens in those situations if they have to prove they're legally allowed to be in the toilets right then and there because some people are suspicious of them.

Get a brain says the person who believes people can change sex 😂 and who knows absolutely nothing about how far predatory men will go to get what they want. The naivety is staggering.

Will I - thanks for letting me know! Whos forcing their beliefs now ay

You think men detailing how they would like to rape, torture and kill women is bad in the same way as women saying they don't want men in their single sex spaces is bad. I find that repugnant, yes. You seem to think it's a normal, even progressive way to think. I really hope you are never in any position where you have any responsibility for the wellbeing of vulnerable women or children, your values are utterly warped.

I never made the claim that was made earlier on this thread that trans hatred was rife on the forum. I simply pointed out that it's impossible to quote the worst transphobic posts as they no longer exist because they've been reported and deleted.

ETA there is no need to say "claim" and "alleged". I'm quite happy for you to ask MNHQ to confirm that I reported two posts that were deleted.