Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

Hazel, you appear to think that the reason there are no trans women in Afghanistan is because it's not safe to be trans in Afghanistan, right?

So trans women in Afghanistan are forced to present as men in order to avoid persecution, right?

The thing is, Hazel, it's not safe to be a woman in Afghanistan. Women in Afghanistan don't have access to education or healthcare. They're banned from talking outside their own homes, from singing, from standing near windows in buildings where they might be seen from the street. When they are allowed out they must be fully covered from head to toe.

Do you not think that if they had the option to put on a pair of trousers and suddenly be indistinguishable from men, they would take it in a heartbeat?

But they don't have that option. They cannot disguise themselves as men and live as members of the ruling sex class. Because they are women.

Trans women in Afghanistan, if they exist, can disguise themselves as men to escape oppression, because, well, they are in fact men.

Being trans is a choice that some people make, mainly in countries where being trans is not actually dangerous at all. If you exclude Brazilian sex workers from your analysis (and possibly even if you don't exclude them), all the available data shows that trans people are less likely to be murdered than any other group.

Being a woman is, unfortunately, not a choice, and is dangerous everywhere.

Im not saying any of that is acceptable. But neither is this.

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I did it because he was staring quite menacingly at my young female child and my self.

I had the discussion once we were away and safe basically.

We women don’t need to give away our boundaries for others all the time. We don’t want men in our private spaces and that’s ok imo.

Mumsnet is transphobic. In RL I know lots of people that really are not up in arms about transpeople and just getting on with their lives.

This? saying a man is a man? Not wanting single-sex spaces for women to include males (males who are proven to offend sexually at a higher rate than any other group)?

I think you're the hateful one for expecting women to put up and shut up.

And as humans, trans people have exactly the same rights as anyone else. The right to access single sex spaces of their birth sex, or designated mixed sex places. Like all other humans.

It's not a human right for a man to access a women's changing room. Even if he sincerely means no harm himself. It's not a space for women and men who don't mean harm. It's a space for women and he is excluded not because he's trans, but because he's male. The same reason all other men are excluded too, most of whom do not take it as an insult or an attack on their rights. Why would they? They have their own single sex spaces, or mixed sex ones. Once we let in "nice" men, the door is open for all the others too...and even "nice" men make the space unusable for women who can't tolerate a mixed sex space, for numerous reasons that, for 1.2 billion years of evolution until five minutes ago, nobody needed to have explained to them. Once men are allowed inside, it's no longer a women's space.

There's nothing hateful about having the exact same rights as literally every other human.

Trans women are men.

They offend at the same rate as men. In prison a greater percentage of them have committed violent or sexual crimes than the wider male prison population.

There are plenty of instances where women have been attacked or raped by trans women. Because the latter are men.

Please tell us this: how many assaults on women would it take for you to no longer be satisfied with trans women having access to women's hospital wards, changing rooms, toilets, etc.? Given that this is about the volume of assaults for you?

You sir are being very unreasonable

No, it isn’t. It’s used to make a fleshy, penis shaped appendage. Vastly different things.

Of course, back in the day, women would band together and call out a guy entering the women’s toilets.

Remember Katie Dolatowski? I doubt her victim’s father wouldn’t just have waited outside the women’s toilets if he hadn’t been conditioned to believe a man going into a women’s toilet was acceptable.

you really have no idea what you’re talking about

Lol. The making of the "penis" involves harvesting skin and muscle from a leg or arm. Where would the clitoris fit on that? Also I can assure you none of these abominations are working Denise's.

And Shona Robison of the SNP tried the whole 'predatory men don't need to pretend to be something else' thing and made herself look an absolute fool -

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23871744.time-robison-join-former-boss-backbenches/

“Denise’s” 😂

Even if they did have fully functioning penis-like appendages, transmen are women, and so it would be vanishingly unlikely they'd rape another woman on a hospital ward anyway.

A transwoman., however, has raped a woman on a women's ward. That poor woman was then gaslighted that it couldn't have happened because there were no men on the ward.

These lists are just some of the trans women who have sexually assaulted women in private spaces.

No one is claiming that every trans woman is a threat but the rate of sexual offenders is even higher among the trans population than the male population.

Until sexual predators start wearing stickers on their head so we can tell who they are, all make-bodied individuals can stay out.

Men have different skeletons (particularly pelvises) to women, hence they move very differently to women. Even the petite, uber glamorous Thai lady boys can't quite get the movements right.

And if even they can't move like a woman, there's fuck all chance that your typical British bloke in a dress can.

Women have always, always known when a man is in their midst. We are genetically designed to know.

James OB and all of the other men banging the drum for transwomen's rights make me sick. WOMEN are entitled to single-sex facilities for their dignity, privacy, safety and fairness in sports.

I don't give a sh!t what trans-supporting MEN have to say about it. These are not their rights to give away. They're my rights, my daughters', my granddaughters', my sisters', my friends...

Keep your entitled, privileged, male beaks out of my single-sex spaces and STFU because we've heard more than enough from you and it's over. We're taking back our spaces, our services and our sports. #SexMatters

Where is your humanity for the women who have been forced to share a prison cell with a TIM and have then been raped by him?

Where is your humanity for women accessing rape crisis centres who have been told by a man without a GRC to reframe their trauma because not wanting rape counselling from a man pretending to be a woman makes them a bigot?

Where is your humanity for the ND teenage girls who have had their healthy breasts removed in the name of this barbaric, regressive, insidious ideology?

FYI, ‘George’ doesn’t have a fully working penis, she has a hideous appendage fashioned from other body parts that have also been butchered.

Yeah that’s not the own you think it is as statistics mean you come into contact with waaaaay more men than trans people but that doesn’t mean no trans people have sexually assaulted people. You must know they have. There’s been several very high profile cases.

They actually offend sexually more than regular men. Not surprising when you consider a lot of them are just plain old AGPs.

Sure Jan

There’s really no reason to call these men transwomen. Many of them admit they get turned on by being referred to that way. Call them what they are, trans identified men, men who fantasise about being women.

Calling them transwomen plays into the idea they’re some sort of woman. They’re not, and never have been. We don’t need to use their language.

I've had a look at the website so you don't have to make the effort! Not as bad? This screenshot was taken from the very first page btw. There are many, many more for you to peruse.