CIS

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Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

First you have it the wrong way round a trans man was born female and a trans woman was born male.
Secondly I know it's a typo/auto correct fail but they never identify as 'behind a woman' it's always front and centre, always better women than us boring natal women who just don't woman hard enough.

Hate the term CIS..‘don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin..’. That’s a fantastic phrase.

When speaking or writing I consciously never put a space between ‘trans’ and ‘woman’..for me it implies that the person is a different kind of woman, an evolving woman..when really they’re just a different kind of man. I’ve refused to play that game…and we can say that now without fear of reprisal and for the record, this view never came from hate, it came from fact.

A transwoman is not a woman. Refreshing.

Thank you so much for your informative posts.

Please can you talk to us about why, in your opinion this has been allowed to happen.

We all see the patriarchal, misogynistic, hegemonic status quo that is the human experience and further see that it will be imposed by all means.

What is the end result?

Ah yes sorry my bad. A 'biological female' from a doctor, under oath. 🙄

From what I can work out, the end result is the destabilisation of some societal values through the destabilisation of established science. I believe that a group of people wish their beliefs to be considered accepted and have developed philosophical theories, such as queer theory which links with gender identity theory, to do this.

And you are right in that it is patriarchal and misogynistic. The groups who are involved have used tactics to try to hide their misogyny. Some by claiming to be female people and therefore claiming oppression using the axis of sexism etc.

When I first read that campaign groups had strategy documents about how best to do this such as the Denton's report and the Trans Law Centre communication strategy document, it started to fall into place. These groups were actively attaching their aims onto the legitimate aims of other groups in a deliberate strategy. It had a chilling effect.

Language has been a very huge part of this strategy. The use of the words 'cis' is part of that.

So too is the public shaming that happens when language demands (and they are demands despite many people declaring they are not and declaring it is 'just respectful') are not complied with. These groups have opened up society to bullying by those who I can only think feel righteous in admonishing, demonising and berating others who don't comply with the language around these topics.

Pronoun use is very much a part of that. Just think of the pressure that people have to announce their pronouns and the shaming that goes on when people used the established language conventions for pronouns rather than complying with requests / demands.

In case you want to read these documents, here they are:

You can find the Dentons report through this link .

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/iglyo_v3-1.pdf

This is the link for the Messaging Guide : Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves

From December 2021

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4439659-Ryan-Grim-results-of-latest-trans-activism-poll-A-tweaked-playbook-for-the-US?reply=113763453

The Transgender Law Center’s work.

This link also shows a 'playbook' on how to leverage other social justice issues to manipulate people into supporting beliefs not upheld with any factual or scientific evidence at all. In fact, in this link above, the general population are called 'persuadables'. They are not hiding that this is pure emotional manipulation.

And finally, here is something similar from the UK Greens. Just in case people still doubt that there is an emotionally manipulative tactic being used across the world. This one gives people stock answers that they believe will work to either shame people into agreeing with them or that they feel will be 'convincing'.

https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/

it is in archive sites if you want to track it down.

Caution: the link to the Greens includes some misinformation presented as 'facts'. Happy to have a discussion about this with anyone with questions.

yep. It was the linguistic trick used by many as you know. I first saw it in action in 2019 when McKinnon used it.

Because the only two things that exist are robots and females.
I'm not A so I must be B.
Hmm let look at all the other things you could be starting with C - male.

I've seen the term "CIS" in some articles online and from the context I guessed it was referring to women (as opposed to trans women) but I confess to not having a clue what the letters actually stand for. It just suddenly seemed to appear out of nowhere and we were all supposed to know immediately what it meant!

The same applied to "woke" and "Karen". I had no idea what they meant when I first saw them. Actually, I'm still not sure I understand what woke means.

Biological reality.

Women are not cis. Just women will do for women. Men will do for men. Trans people are trans people.

There are women and there are a small percentage of men with a wide variety of conditions that should not be handed together under the misnomer ‘trans women’. These include transsexuals, transvestites, autogynephiles, misogynistic narcissists who gets kicks out of encroaching on women’s spaces, sexual predators who masquerade as women and autistic men and boys who have been groomed by trans activists. Grouping these people together allows criminals to hide in plain sight behind the benign and the vulnerable.

I am hopeful that my DD who is 18 will not have to deal with this crap a few years from now.
The problem is, she was fed a lot of rubbish about this sort of thing at secondary school when the gender arguments were starting to take hold. I often discuss it with her and she doesn't get anywhere near as angry as I do about it.

No.

I am woman. I don't identify as anything, I just am in reality. Biological reality matters.

I agree, I feel so sad for the young people who were fed this rubbish that if unhappy then pretending you can change sex will sort your problems.

Mental health issues support is so underfunded.

I think if you are a woman you also identify as being a woman. You don't identify as being a pot of hummus do you?

I totally, totally agree.

You can think that all you like. Doesn't make it true.

I am a woman. I don't identify as one. I don't identify as being human either. Or short and fat. Or brunette. I just Am all of those things.

You don't identify as a human ? What do you identify as ? A spice rack ? You do know you can be something and also feel you are something as well ? You are denying consciousness itself.

No. This is the falsehood that many people make.

There is no way to 'identify' being a woman, except to mature from being a female child. Being a woman means something different to all female people who have matured to reach womanhood. None of us 'identify' as one. We just are one.

There is a degree of twisting of concepts there in the statement that if you are a woman you also identify as one.

@Bogginsthe3rd it appears that you think that being something and identifying as something are the same. Maybe think about it a bit.

No. I just am human. How many of the things I am should i identify as?
Short? Fat? Brown eyed? Brown haired? Diabetic? Small footed?
Those things are all facts about me.

Ah, so you’re non-binary? Non-binary people don’t identify with gender.

Because if you’re calling yourself a woman that means you’re identifying with that word and therefore have a gender identity.

it’s a biological definition, babe, not a social one. It was a ruling on the definition of sex. And gender is social.

cogito, ergo sum
Perhaps ponder this.

Oh that word can just fuck off!

“Being” something is quite literally a part of a person’s identity. It’s how you would describe yourself and how others would describe you. It’s quite sad to get so hung up on this. You’re a cisgender woman. Get over it.

YANBU

Im no longing clarifying what I mean when I say “woman”. I mean woman. A trans woman is a man, I’ll refer to them as transwomen but we all know they’re men.