CIS

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Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

I think if trans women called themselves women there would be bigger backlash.

A bit like racial terms that people hate. Do you think it is ok to refer to people using those even when they have said they don’t like them? Do you tell them it is ok because ‘you don’t have to use them’ or would you consider that to be fairly insufferable behaviour?

You know that's a completely nonsensical thing to say (ever, on any thread or in any conversation), right? Anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together is perfectly capable of being concerned about many things at once, ranging from the minor to the very serious, even if they have verymuch not had an 'easy life'. The fact that you don't understand this suggests there's not much rubbing together of brain cells... As does the daxt that you don't understand that what we call 52% of the population does actually matter.

So by that logic humans who feel like cats are cats and schools should actually be providing litter trays 😬

Not the point of the thread, but this is where the terms come from.

If someone uses this term.in relation to me I will pretend not to know what they're on about.

You can assume they're talking about atom arrangement 😆

It's a conundrum, isn't it! Is it because what men want is the really important thing and silly little women should still their annoyingly shrill voices and stop annoying the men with their moaning and whining?

Humans who feline cats ?

I know many women who do not know the term and I am always happy to educate them on it and
tell them to do some research.

On learning that they are described as ‘CIS gender’ they are naturally horrified.

I can’t stand the terms If people want to use pronouns it’s up to them. It’s also up to to me if I want to use one for myself or anyone else.

Hopefully some sanity is about to be restored!

Cis is a meaningless word to describe humans.

I hate the term, thankfully in real life I’ve rarely had it used about me. The Supreme Court judgement strengthens my ability to object to it

Have you been asleep for the last ten years? They have called themselves women, some have even declared themselves female, and there has been backlash. Yesterday the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom came out with its landmark ruling as a result of some of that backlash. Over in the US Trump has found it very advantageous to criticise gender ideology and that is one of the reasons people voted for him. The utter failure of most left of centre politicians to look critically at what's been happening has been really dispiriting for those of us who would normally vote for them.

The term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

There is no word left for female people.

Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes.

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:
Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^
Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

Thank you @Helleofabore .
That's very informative and interesting to know.

I hate cis too!
And why cis..why not alpha..would sound better if normal women were described as alpha women ;)

The other significant issue with ‘cis’ is that its very usage forcibly categorises someone into having a philosophical belief that they may or may not have. It is very problematic for those who do not have a ‘gender identity’.

In fact, to extrapolate it out : if ‘cis’ excludes those who do not ‘identify as having a gender aligned with the sex they were born’ then the trans gender community would be fucking huge. Because it would include everyone who doesn’t believe in gender identities at all. Not through deliberately self-categorisation as ‘agender’ but simply through rejection of anything to do with that philosophical belief that is the foundation for gender identity and the theories that shape those identities.

Because, the only commonality with all those claiming a transgender identity is philosophical belief. Not a medical 'problem' according to transgender people and academics and medical professionals who are transgender and shaping public awareness. No scientific and robustly established material facts.
So only philosophical belief.

And I would be pleased to know just what other philosophical belief should be given the power to shape a whole populations language to the extent that we are seeing these language changes being demanded?

If someone who was religious called me a non-believer, I cannot dispute that. Because it reflects my reality. I don’t believe in their religion so in their religion centred language that is what I am. It could be considered neutral in that respect. It doesn’t change my belief.

However, calling me ‘cis’ is not neutral. It falsely categorises my beliefs and is not a neutral act at all. Calling me ‘cis’ coercively forces me to believe in gender identity and the theories that are foundational to them.

Have a laugh and read his why truth is important opinion in some context too
www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/18/the-big-idea-should-we-have-a-truth-law

@Helleofabore beautifully written

News flash many of them do
See the Peggie case where a male medical Dr, under oath in a court of law declared that he is a 'biological woman' or the witterings of India Willoughby.

With modern technology, all humans can be reliably categorised as either male or female.

Either they have a body formed around the production of small gametes or large gametes, even if the production of those gametes has not, is not and will not occur.

There is no person who is 'neither' or 'both'. Genitalia is only one aspect of categorising people.

Even worse, Upton declared that he was a biological female.

Yanbu

We don’t need this stuff now. We know woman means woman and doesn’t need an extra descriptor. Thanks to FWS, Sex Matters and everyone who got us here.

Didn't he say something idiotic like 'I'm biological and I'm a female, so I must be a biological female'? Imagine being desperately ill and finding that a numpty like that is your doctor.

All the same atoms in a different spatial configuration, with different properties…doesn’t really map, does it?

The ‘trans’ in ‘transgender’ is from the meaning in words like ‘transition’, ‘translate’, ‘transpose’, ‘transplant’ etc, none of which have a cis- counterpart. The cis/trans pairing used in chemistry and a few other specialised cases is something different. Applying ‘cis’ to women isn’t only philosophically wrong, it’s grammatically illiterate.