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Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 16:54

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

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SenselessDrivel · 13/04/2025 20:42

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 16:54

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

I think parents should not be better off on benefits then non parents…

I name changed to post because this thread has made me very very angry as it’s an utter pile of crap.

I worked from 13 years old, I worked full time 50 - 60 hours a week, I struggled finding a job because of my mental health conditions but after having 17 jobs in a row I found a job with a very supportive boss where I worked alone on night shifts and kept it for 16 years until company was sold.
The new bosses weren’t as understanding and willing to make adjustments so after a year my hours were cut from 55 to 8 meaning I was forced out.

When I lost my job I asked for financial help but it wasn’t enough to live on, I went to the council to beg for help and the woman I spoke to said “You could try having a baby, that’s the only way you will get any proper help”. This is the honest to god truth but I couldn’t have children even if I desperately wanted them as I’d struggle with my mental health issues too much to raise a child.

I managed to get a job… and another… and another… I had four jobs over two years, none of the managers were supportive and it was obviously all about money for them, I needed long hours to pay all the bills living alone so it was hard to cover these if I needed time off. My fifth job was great to start with, I had an amazing manager and I was happy, I worked hard ( I have always been a hard worker and no one has ever disputed this) the hours suited me and I thought I would be settled there for a long time.

The owner of the company employed another manager after a few months who changed things completely and spoke to me like shit, I started to struggle again and the final straw was when I found out I was paid significantly less than everyone else, most of the staff were young, more then half of them were teenagers and it was degrading and humiliating as I was doing the managers job after she dropped her hours, it was the final straw and I had a complete breakdown and had to give up working completely.

My conditions are: bipolar, OCD, eating disorders, ADHD, PTSD and I have very severe anxiety due to the bipolar and OCD. I also have physical conditions including arthritis, I won’t name the others as this is already outing but I was too angry to care.

I struggle to leave the house alone and haven’t been out for days, it’s beautiful weather and I’m stuck inside because I have severe panic attacks. After being raped and sexually abused I have PTSD and I’m nervous around men and I have PTSD from other trauma, the intrusive thoughts from OCD are worse when I go out. The ADHD and bipolar meds are often incompatible so the ADHD is unmediated.
When suffering mania from bipolar I’ve been arrested or done things that I hate myself for afterwards. These are the days I can actually get out of bed and get dressed, I often can’t, my partner had to reduce his working hours and become my carer, our relationship has changed and I hate that the most.

My best friend has physical disabilities, she’s in a wheelchair a lot of the time and has carers, she’s on 4 times the money I’m on because she has kids, she’s has said before she would prefer to be in her position then mine. She still goes out, has multiple holidays, is surrounded by friends and family and as she has a lot of funded care and support her partner and kids don’t have to help. Her kids have mild SEN and she gets benefits for them, she’s gets a huge amount of maintenance from her very wealthy ex husband and he pays for most things (including multiple holidays and cars) so she has a large house in a beautiful area whilst I have a one bedroom flat.

I get UC and PIP but it’s just enough to live on, sometimes I have to put food on credit cards the week before I get my benefits, I don’t know why people seem to think you get money thrown at you - I was far better off working.

I would love to go back to work more than anything, I miss the routine and I enjoyed working, I miss having banter with colleagues and having money to spend on myself. Unfortunately my physical problems are getting worse and that makes it even harder to find suitable work.

I hope people have read this far and found an accurate representation of what life on disability benefits is really like. I have attempted suicide multiple times, I struggle with my identity with not working - I’m not a mother, I don’t have a job title, my parents are dead and I’ve no family so I’m no longer a daughter and I’m not a sister or aunty, I often feel like if I ceased to exist no one would notice except my partner. I often feel it’d be a relief for him.

I read threads like this which I’m 100% sure are bullshit, the OP doesn’t add up for a start with the list of benefits and the idea that the OP has so much financial insight into multiple people’s lives.
This has been posted to wind people up and turn them against a minority in society who are already struggling and find daily life challenging. I have turned it back on parents just to show how easy it is to focus on any group and make out that they are better off. Just to be clear I don’t believe anyone with kids gets more then they are entitled to, I was using this as an example as I guessed the majority of people reading this post have kids.

Instead of questioning why people on benefits might get a similar amount of money to people on minimum wage (it’s only more if they have kids to support in most cases or need additional care) then start to ask yourself why? Do people of benefits not need a minimum wage to live? We still have the same outgoings, housing benefit pays the rent, council tax benefit pays council tax, the rest goes on water, gas, electricity, food etc…
Minimum wage increased by 6.7% this year, my benefits increased 3%. All my outgoings went up including a steep rent hike that the benefit increase didn’t cover, my housing benefit only covers 3/4 of my rent, the local authority rate is much lower then a non council property would cost to rent and with no kids that’s impossible for me to find.

The next time you think to compare the financial differences between people with mental health disabilities on benefits and people who work, stop yourself and focus on the quality of life instead. Would you swap with me for any amount of money?

Sorry I quoted the OP! That was an accident but at least it was a short OP as it was just designed to wind people up.

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 20:43

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:41

You are lucky that your employer employs you in spite of mania and psychosis episodes. That is rare

If employed then yes, very lucky.

Do you have an issue with that too? Are you not backtracking on your original post?

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 20:44

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:41

You are lucky that your employer employs you in spite of mania and psychosis episodes. That is rare

and that in a nutshell is the problem with society, people moan x is on benefits but then the way companies are, how can those people have any chance at a job due to peoples conditions and how a company views them

JustAboutMuddlingThrough · 13/04/2025 20:45

I had to be signed off work with severe depression. Looked into seeing if I could claim anything whilst I was off and no I couldn’t. I’m back at work now because I can’t manage on SSP alone. Most days I struggle to even keep myself alive and if it wasn’t for a high dose of antidepressants I doubt I would manage it. I’m also under the mental health team awaiting an assessment to see whether or not I have bipolar

Mumble12 · 13/04/2025 20:47

Teddybear23 · 13/04/2025 20:04

i had a friend who had not worked for at least 20 years after having her last child, because she had a rich husband (and then ex). She had a lot of investments including rental houses as income. When she was diagnosed she automatically claimed for everything she was entitled to but that amount came to more than I was earning full time for the NHS! Obviously I didn’t want her to be ill but how can it be fair that she got more than I did, and it wasn’t as if she’d had to pack in work because she was too ill to go.

She would’ve been able to claim for pip as it isn’t means tested. But if she had assets worth over £16k, that’s all she could get

Uberella · 13/04/2025 20:48

My daughter will be 18 this month:she’s physically disabled;she’d give absolutely anything to be able to have a normal job teenagers her age should have but her current options are practically zero;when she finishes her degree she’ll be able to have a desk based job where working from home on bad days.

BigHeadBertha · 13/04/2025 20:48

That whole demonizing the poor thing isn't really a good look.

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 20:48

Don't let the op get you down.

Nobody needs to defend themselves to @YourTidyScroller

Nobody.

Keep well everyone, hug yourself. Don't get wound up by a badly worded benefits bashing thread.
Move on to what matters.

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:49

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 20:43

If employed then yes, very lucky.

Do you have an issue with that too? Are you not backtracking on your original post?

The person said they had PIP and worked in spite of serious mental health problems and needing time off work. That is a very rare position that is all.

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Mumble12 · 13/04/2025 20:49

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 20:06

I disagree, with some MH issues it’s very hard to determine if someone is faking or telling the truth, I’m sure a lot of people are in fact telling the truth but there are definitely some people out there that are not

You can disagree with the governments own figures if you like 🤷

professional psychiatrists will tell you it’s actually not very difficult to tell who is ‘faking’ poor mental health

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:50

BigHeadBertha · 13/04/2025 20:48

That whole demonizing the poor thing isn't really a good look.

Myself then?

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Serencwtch · 13/04/2025 20:50

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:41

You are lucky that your employer employs you in spite of mania and psychosis episodes. That is rare

It's not that rare. Employers aren't allowed to discriminate based on a disability.

I'm valued because of what I contribute to my employer.

Outside of occupational health very few people are aware of my diagnosis. I let people know it is mental health related but I don't divulge details.

In the past year I had one inpatient admission so obviously had time off for that (10 days) & 3 home treatment team 'admissions' during which I carried on working for 1, reduced my hours for 1 & was off sick for one (4 days)

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 20:52

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:49

The person said they had PIP and worked in spite of serious mental health problems and needing time off work. That is a very rare position that is all.

Are you the office of statistics now?

No.

It's not that rare, I was in a similar situation.

I'll leave you to work out the percentages. Good girl.

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:52

@Serencwtch I know they are not supposed to discriminate in theory, but they do.
You have done well to have had so little time off sick.

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:54

@TheBuffetInspector no need to be so patronising. Do you always talk down to the poors?

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SenselessDrivel · 13/04/2025 20:54

Just out of interest @YourTidyScroller what is “disability top up?”

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 20:54

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:50

Myself then?

Must be.

We're all here and listening if you stop the attack.
(Some of us might be)

ChickenBananas · 13/04/2025 20:54

Again @YourTidyScroller why does someone severely impaired (I mention paranoid schizophrenia) be forced to live in poverty and unable to claim PIP etc?

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:55

SenselessDrivel · 13/04/2025 20:54

Just out of interest @YourTidyScroller what is “disability top up?”

I do not know. I did not use the phrase

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:55

ChickenBananas · 13/04/2025 20:54

Again @YourTidyScroller why does someone severely impaired (I mention paranoid schizophrenia) be forced to live in poverty and unable to claim PIP etc?

I did not say that.

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Serencwtch · 13/04/2025 20:57

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:52

@Serencwtch I know they are not supposed to discriminate in theory, but they do.
You have done well to have had so little time off sick.

Thank you. Am I worthy of my PIP now?

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 21:00

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:54

@TheBuffetInspector no need to be so patronising. Do you always talk down to the poors?

Always.

I like to gather my wheelchair and throw money about with gay abandon.

Sometimes I can do it using my JK stick alone.

ChickenBananas · 13/04/2025 21:01

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 20:55

I did not say that.

You're saying they shouldn't even get as much income as a minimum wage job would provide.

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 21:02

ChickenBananas · 13/04/2025 21:01

You're saying they shouldn't even get as much income as a minimum wage job would provide.

No.
And someone working has costs associated with that.

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TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 21:02

However at @YourTidyScroller I usually save if for judgemental folk.