Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

You have a mental health problem and have a carer coming to dress and feed you? Or 24 hour carers for mental health problems? Never heard of such a thing.

I disagree, with some MH issues it’s very hard to determine if someone is faking or telling the truth, I’m sure a lot of people are in fact telling the truth but there are definitely some people out there that are not

Where does it say disability benefits have to be used to employ carers?

Except they do. There are people too ill to work, but there are plenty of people in work with mental health problems. I know a fair number of people with bipolar who work.

One of these “well off” MH patients was sooooo happy with their money and life that last week they decided to end their life where I live. Poor lads family are devastated……but hey ho!!! At least he had benefits!!! Fuck me. Some people cannot see the bigger picture here!

@Iloveburgerswaymorethanishould that is a fucking low thing to say.

I know people with bipolar who work too. But they have been in their job for years and their MH history is well known.
What about people with MH issues who have not worked for years? No references.

Because a person suffering from something like Schizophrenia isn't going to need a carer to help them up the stairs or cook them a meal. It doesn't mean that their mental illness isn't serious.

I know people with bipolar who have got jobs recently. Its hard to do, I do not deny that.

Why do you care so much about this and not the greedy billionaires who are making us all much poorer? Direct your anger at the right people, OP.

I would not wish to trade places with somebody in this position even if they did get a bit more than minimum wage.

That doesn't mean much anyway.

But PIP form is answered on the basis you can not do certain everyday tasks without help.

Someone on minimum wage would probably get a UC top up though. So it isn’t just UC vs Min wage is it

@DurinsBane no they would not. Or a tiny amount. I get £3.60 a week.

Yep. People on UC do get a top up, so comparing them to people that live off UC is daft.
And it is pitting disabled against the non-disabled. Apples and oranges.

My god!

The definition of what counts as a disability has changed. there are people being diagnosed with adhd who can somehow go to work everyday without being fired. There are people with adhd who set fire to things because they can’t pay attention.
there are people with mental health issues who don’t get out of their pyjamas or out of bed until lunch time and have little energy because their mind is so full of clutter.
there are people with mental health issues that would beat someone up or make threats towards them and they’re in no position to work
people who have been signed off have evidence that they can’t work and need professional witnesses to the behaviours
people with mental health issues should get more than minimum wage because they are disabled and do have extra costs. Your question could be what extra costs? Why don’t you ask that instead.

Honestly no lower than most of the things you have said on this thread, OP. Your lack of self awareness is astonishing.

Tell you what OP, when something like this happens to you, come back and comment. Because it's only then that you'll have a clue what you are talking about!

You do know that many people who need some state support due to mental illness, have also paid their tax contributions and are entitled to get some help when they need it! And that help can be very limited. If you've got a mortgage, forget about housing benefit - the best you can hope for is a loan to cover the interest payment!

Mental illness is no different to physical illness when it comes to ability to work - it's certainly not made up or less serious!

@HopingForTheBest25 I have experience of serious mental health issues.

I don’t care. No one cares. People with mental health issues and can’t work are disabled by their mental health and do have extra costs. Maybe they are too disabled by their mental health to manage their money in the most efficient way or too disabled by their mental health to get better.

Your experience is the experience of one individual. It does not in any way mean that the experiences of other people with mental ill health cannot be completely different.

I never claimed that. I only disclosed that because of the amount of people posting that wait until I have experience of serious mental health problems myself.

How badly does their schizophrenia affect them?

And yet you want to kick down at people on benefits. Empathy - not just a medium sized word that doesn't begin with M.