Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

So why do they need an extra £1000 a month?

Are you genuinely being serious right now?

Sadly exactly

I was talking about social housing.

But yes I genuinely do think there are people that think if they could just say they were ‘a bit disabled’ they could rake in thousands in ‘free’ money and never have to work again, while living a life of luxury.

The truth is most people use PIP for bills.

Yes

What benefit pays £1000 per month?

Yes absolutely instead of raising the minimum wage (as many people lobby for) we should set the benefit cap for people with low mental health to the point of being unable to work so far down they can ... Financially incentives themselves to recover ?

Honestly, your so clever I don't know why the government hasn't Personally appointed you in charge of the health care system & the finance department

That's incorrect. Many people with severe mental illness are on PIP & in work. Many people with a whole range of disabilities receive PIP & work.

I have schizoaffective disorder & receive PIP & also work. I have many friends with severe mental illness in the same position..

Being in work does not affect PIP.

That is true due to the cost of living.
I know someone who gave up her Motability car so she could afford bills.

I agree, I actually think there are possibly ( maybe I’m wrong) an awfull lot of people out there who are doing it unfortunately

Noones getting an extra £1000 a month. The research shows that the average cost associated with being disabled is around £1000/month (which by definition means it’s much lower for some and much higher for others).

PIP isn’t as much as that and only people with the most limiting conditions would receive the highest rates of PIP anyway

I am honestly surprised at that, How can you possibly say you need help with dressing, getting out of bed, cooking etc and be able to work?

PIP and LCWRA together

well given that the fraud rate for pip is estimated to be 0% I don’t think there are lots of people faking it

None, that's the point. It costs a disabled person on average of £1000 extra a month just to exist. The highest rate of PIP is only just over £700 a month. £400 if you use your mobility element for a vehicle or powerchair. So PIP doesn't cover anywhere near the extra costs of being disabled, let alone anything else. Bills, housing, food, etc.

Why isn’t he receiving a personal budget from adult social care?

That is not one benefit. They are not even linked.

It is an unfair situation, not uncommon in our imperfect world. When I volunteered for a mental health charity, I heard about similar situations several times (mind you, this was about 10 years ago). Someone would feel better, start work, lose the benefits and be worse off. Then they would feel worse, would lose the job and would face having to go through the assessment (which they had no energy for) to be approved for benefits again, so they’d end up homeless etc etc. I think some people still preferred to start working.

Some of us work from home, from bed. Some of us have carers that come in to dress us, feed us etc before we go to work. Some of us have 24 hour care so they actually accompany us to work. Again, it's hardly rocket science.

Not linked but very often claimed together

Wow you know several people who don’t work due to mental health problems and several for physical health problems.
weird. I don’t know anyone yet you know several.

THen that is a cycle that needs to be broken. But it wont be, because no emplyer will take on someone who is ill and needs lots of adjustments and time off.

i had a friend who had not worked for at least 20 years after having her last child, because she had a rich husband (and then ex). She had a lot of investments including rental houses as income. When she was diagnosed she automatically claimed for everything she was entitled to but that amount came to more than I was earning full time for the NHS! Obviously I didn’t want her to be ill but how can it be fair that she got more than I did, and it wasn’t as if she’d had to pack in work because she was too ill to go.

oh they are telling you.......