Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

How?

So I’m in a bit of a predicament because I have a number of issues including mental and physical and employing a carer would help me a lot but my award goes towards foods that I can eat with my sensory issues and eczema friendly hygiene products and extra laundry and anything left from my universal credit goes on sensory friendly clothing.. there are lots of costs that people with mental health issues wouldn’t be able to meet if they employed carers or workers.

There is a clear connection. We are in one society with one tax system. Work should make you better off, don’t you see

So you're happy to admit that you lack empathy then. Cool.

What’s wrong with the system? You’re jealous because you want to be part of the system aren’t you?

Unless you’d like to also be disabled - no disability SUV.

To get one, you would have to have more money, which you’ll probably have to earn.

But at least you don’t have a registered disability. Every cloud, right?

Well, we hired some nice men with a van, who packed up all our things and unloaded them at the new house that we applied for.

It does. No one who is able to work, but chooses not to, is better off on benefits.

Just looked at scope website as you suggested. Talks about extra needs for physically disabled. Not sure those criteria apply to those with mild mental health conditions.
I used to work with young people who had been diagnosed with GAD, borderline personality disorder, social anxiety etc. They had internalised the diagnosis and believed they could not work or study. Sadly encouraged sometimes by family. How do they need an extra £1000.a month?

Because mental health issues can be fabricated/exaggerated , medical can’t.

No one with mild MH conditions gets PIP.
And the full rate of PIP in both areas does not amount to £1000pm.

Medical/physical most certainly can.

There isn’t.

Say you have a min wage job at Tesco, they are responsible for your pay. Cutting benefits and taking Motability cars doesn’t give Tesco more money to pay you, even if they wanted to (which they wouldn’t).

You’d end up no better off by taking things from vulnerable people, your pay will not change.

It’s so strange that people are envious of those who need those benefits. You don’t need them, count yourself lucky and deal with your pay issue separately somehow. Because it is separate.

Both in their twenties. Borderline personality disorder, generalised anxiety, suicidal ideation and self harm.
Bipolar with psychosis that is unstable.

I have friends in social housing. They work. I was there when they moved into their social housing.

Their 'new' kitchen was already falling apart because it had been done on the cheap by the HA. Air con - hahahahaha you must be bloody joking. SUV - nope, falling apart fourth hand vehicle, essential because we live in an area with bugger all public transport.

It's mad, isn't it? The sheer jealousy because apparently, us disabled people get free houses, cars, money, blue badges, medications etc.

They seem to forget we're disabled and actually would swap lives any day to be without all those things but without the disabilities too.

I said disabled people, not people with mild mental health issues.

I meant how did two professional people manage to get social housing? Unless you are somewhere where no one wants to live? Most places have long waiting lists

Only if "free" money is the only thing you see as important in life.

I, personally, have had severe enough MH issues (anxiety & depression) in the past that I could reasonably no longer have worked. But, they get worse when I am not "busy". I get in a downwards spiral when I am alone with nothing to do for prolonged periods (sometimes even if it's just two days).

So for me, there is always that incentive to be doing something. Working my mind. I am much healthier mentally, when I am achieving something. Whether that is as small as going into work or as big as getting a promotion, whether it's work related or life related. It's doing. Being given enough money to "exist" would make me much, much worse. And therefore even more dependent on the benefits because I'd end up in a place where I'd be too ill to be able to function properly.

I doubt anyone chooses to be so unwell mentally that they can't function enough to do any job. They aren't choosing to keep themselves out of the workforce, where they would have opportunities to increase their income and sense of achievement.

Scope’s disability price tag research doesn’t just look at physical disability. It looks at disabled people in general.

Have you requested a Care and Support assessment as per the Care Act 2014? It’s your right to request one abc it may result in some budget for care and support needs. You can call your local adult social services and request one.

We system are you referring to?
As if you are referring to the system I think you are referring to I can assure most people who are not a part of it are extremely glad they are not and don’t have to rely on it
Do you seriously think ( if we are referring to the same thing) that people are envious of that kind of lifestyle?

Have you ever tried to private rent a wheelchair accessible property?

Do you have a disability social worker? Or any previous/current link with them? My father has a neurological condition, gets DLA care & mobility higher rate etc, the full range of benefits basically as his disability is so severe and he has nothing to his name - no savings, rents his house etc. He has enough money left at the end of the month to pay bills, buy his groceries and has a bit left over for his baccy (much to my pleading with him to stop!) and a once weekly bet on the horses. He's definitely not flush after paying for his care package but he isn't destitute either. His benefits pays for a 4 x daily care package. I'm wondering if there is something that you're missing out on or any more help you can get? It might be worth seeing about it.

What system is that then?